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Thread: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    I'm on the fence on this one. On one hand, I'd like to see heads roll, in order to get the message out that we, as a country, do not condone torture.

    OTOH, I'm not completely convinced that disbarring a few lawyers will convey a lasting message.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    The article said:
    “We have asked the respective state bars to revoke the licenses of the foregoing attorneys for moral turpitude,” they write. “They failed to show ‘respect for and obedience to the law, and respect for the rights of others,’ and intentionally or recklessly failed to act competently, all in violation of legal Rules of Professional Conduct.”
    The individual state bars is one place these issues need to be resolved. Of course, if any of those groups vote to disbar any of those unethical lawyers I'm sure we will then hear from the neo-cons here labeling them as... uhh... liberal.

    While I believe the Justice Dept should be more active on these issues, I will accept whatever those bars decide.

    Will you right wingers accept what those bars decide?
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    While I believe the Justice Dept should be more active on these issues, I will accept whatever those bars decide.

    Will you right wingers accept what those bars decide?
    YOU will "accept"????



    That's mighty magnanimous of you, considering that bar associations are private entities wholly separated from political or other pressures, and not answerable to anyone but themselves.

    As for whether anyone else will "accept" their decisions.....same principle applies. Government we can petition and compel them to listen. Bar associations listen only when they want to, and they only hear what they want to.

    Which makes me think that this is Holder's way of tossing a bone (albeit a meatless one) to the rank and file Anti-Republicans: offer the hope of exacting some morsel of flesh while letting the whole thing get pushed to the back burner.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's mighty magnanimous of you, considering that bar associations are private entities wholly separated from political or other pressures, and not answerable to anyone but themselves.
    Exactly. I believe them to mostly non-political. Although I know that is not 100% the case.

    Yes, I will accept their decision to disbar or not those lawyers. Who better to judge lawyers than their peers? That's all dependent upon it getting to them, that is.

    Will you accept their decision? Or will you dance around the question?
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Exactly. I believe them to mostly non-political. Although I know that is not 100% the case.

    Yes, I will accept their decision to disbar or not those lawyers. Who better to judge lawyers than their peers? That's all dependent upon it getting to them, that is.

    Will you accept their decision? Or will you dance around the question?
    There's nothing to accept or reject. Bar associations are not answerable to me or to you. I certainly hope they don't to a damn thing to the 12 lawyers.....but there's not a damn thing I could do about it even if they did. Holder kicked the can down the road and off the playing field.

    Using your rather laughable language of "acceptance", yes, I would "accept" their decision....because there is no second option available.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Granted, this is a Liberal group that has filed the complaints in 4 states and Washington DC, so many here are going to take this with a grain of salt, as they should - Innocent until proven guilty.

    That being said, what do you think the results of the hearings will be? Answer the poll.
    You can be disbarred for a lot of things -- but giving what you believe to be sound legal advice isnt one of them. This is a bunch pf liberals trying to disbar lawyers not for comitting some crime or ethical violation, but for doing their job to the best of their ability.

    This should absolutely scare everyone.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You can be disbarred for a lot of things -- but giving what you believe to be sound legal advice isnt one of them. This is a bunch pf liberals trying to disbar lawyers not for comitting some crime or ethical violation, but for doing their job to the best of their ability.

    This should absolutely scare everyone.
    Caveat up front: I am not a lawyer.

    I believe you hit upon what the allegation actually is. Did the lawyers give sound legal advice, or create documents that ignored important precedent. The way I heard it explained is that none of the opinions these guys offered mentioned the WW2 prosecution of torture as war crimes, when even if they felt this was not relevant, should have at least been addressed.

    Again, I am not a lawyer, and am just repeating something I heard on one of the news channels. I am not claiming it as absolutely true.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    yes, I would "accept" their decision....
    That's what a straight answer would look like.

    So, we shall see if any of those state bar associations decide to disbar any of those attorneys if we see you whine about them being a biased group and their decision being a liberal conspiracy.
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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    That's what a straight answer would look like.

    So, we shall see if any of those state bar associations decide to disbar any of those attorneys if we see you whine about them being a biased group and their decision being a liberal conspiracy.
    Seriously, catch a clue, dude.

    There's no liberal, dumbocrat, or Anti-Republican "conspiracy". As the caterwauling on Capital Hill over whether or not the Anti-Republicans knew about waterboarding and were or were not down with it shows, the Anti-Republicans are only united in despising President Bush. At all other times, they not only are not on the same page, they're not even reading the same playbook.

    Will the bar associations take action? I tend to think not. One action against Yoo was already declined (last year), and I suspect the legal profession is far too self-serving a group to wantonly disbar lawyers for dispensing legal advice. Unlike Dear Leader and his Anti-Republican "teammates" in Congress, most lawyers grasp the concept of precedent, and are generally deliberate about what sort of precedent they set; I have a hard time seeing lawyers in a hurry to set a precedent for witch-burning, because there's no telling when they'll be cast in the role of the witch.

    However, if they do take action, it will be because they have their heads up their collective (and collectivized) asses, not because they are in cahoots with Dear Leader and the amateurs in Congress playing at running a country.

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    Re: 12 Bush lawyers face disbarment complaints

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    the Anti-Republicans are only united in despising President Bush.
    Nah, just in bringing him and his goons to justice or at least exposing them for the treasonist, criminals they are.

    Will the bar associations take action? I tend to think not.
    They may not.

    However, if they do take action, it will be because they have their heads up their collective (and collectivized) asses, not because they are in cahoots with Dear Leader and the amateurs in Congress playing at running a country.
    Ahh yes. There we have it. If they don't take action it's because ... they shouldn't. If they do... it's a left wing conspiracy. thanks for the honesty.

    Ya know, those lawyers just might want to take a stand and defend the integrity of their profession. (I had to grimace when I said that.) So, if they do disbar any of them, and there is lots of pressure for that, it will show that those lawyers were indeed acting unethically as judged by their peers.

    By the way clueless one, those unethical lawyers were not simply providing advice. They made very clear attempts to advise their client that he could commit a crime but, do it in such a structured manner that it wouldn't fall under the illegal guidelines. That is not only illegal but, highly unethical.

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