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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The war in Iraq was waged to secure oil and global economic assets. The data was misrepresented to get public support, it was never the actual reason for going to war.
    Unfortunately, that misrepresentation had the adverse effect.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Will, this statement is ludicrous. While I agree there was cherry picking going on, it wasn't from the bible. The only people who will view this issue as giving the invasion of Iraq an appearance of a holy war are people who already view it as a holy war.

    I have to go with Jerry on this one in a round about way. The war in Iraq was about establishing a U.S. sphere of influence in a resource rich geographic area of the middle east. Or as it was put in the PNAC, "Secure and expand zones of democratic peace." Bush had Iraq on the brain, and in the days after Sept. 11th he saw an opportunity to justify a strategy his closest advisers had been working on for years.
    I know what the war was fought about, the point here is how Cheney and Rumsfeld manipulated Bush by controlling what he THOUGHT the war was about. It demonstrates what critics have said all along, that Bush was a puppet president, incapable of carrying out the responsibilities of his position.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Unfortunately, that misrepresentation had the adverse effect.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That was my point.
    If that's the case, then your point makes no sense.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I know what the war was fought about, the point here is how Cheney and Rumsfeld manipulated Bush by controlling what he THOUGHT the war was about. It demonstrates what critics have said all along, that Bush was a puppet president, incapable of carrying out the responsibilities of his position.
    I am trying really hard to understand what you are basing this information on. I would like to see some proof that Bush was manipulated?

    I have no idea how you figure some inconsequential biblical text on a briefing has anything to do with being manipulated. This was not some kind of Crusade to wipe out Islam or recapture the holy land.
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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am trying really hard to understand what you are basing this information on. I would like to see some proof that Bush was manipulated?
    Dude -- dont hold your breath. I've been waiting of WEEKS for him to back up a claim he made; thus far he hasnt even bothered to put up a single post to that effect.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am trying really hard to understand what you are basing this information on. I would like to see some proof that Bush was manipulated?

    I have no idea how you figure some inconsequential biblical text on a briefing has anything to do with being manipulated. This was not some kind of Crusade to wipe out Islam or recapture the holy land.
    How would there be "proof" that Bush was manipulated?

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Dude -- dont hold your breath. I've been waiting of WEEKS for him to back up a claim he made; thus far he hasnt even bothered to put up a single post to that effect.
    Your complete lack of civility and incessant hostility is the reason I don't respond to you. Consider this a response.

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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Your complete lack of civility and incessant hostility is the reason I don't respond to you. Consider this a response.
    You mean your complete lack of any ability to actually defend your argument, don't you? Becauise that's all anyone here has ever seen from you.

    BTW... not defending your position because you're feelings were hurt?
    You're NEVER going to make it in the real world, sport.
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    Re: Donald Rumsfeld covered Iraq briefing papers with Biblical texts

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    How would there be "proof" that Bush was manipulated?
    Well you are stating matter of factly that...

    "I know what the war was fought about, the point here is how Cheney and Rumsfeld manipulated Bush by controlling what he THOUGHT the war was about. It demonstrates what critics have said all along, that Bush was a puppet president, incapable of carrying out the responsibilities of his position." - WillRockwell

    So this leads me to assume that someplace information was given or leaked that Bush was coerced or mislead into invading Iraq.

    All this after it has been shown a few times now this was not the case. It was also shown he wanted to invade Iraq even before his presidency.

    So I am asking what proof exists that he was manipulated by Rumsfeld or Cheney, and how the biblical quotes on a briefing substantiate your (thus far) unsubstantiated claim.

    PS If this is just your opinion on the subject, then that would clarify it for me and others as well.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 05-19-09 at 02:11 PM.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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