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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Thanks to both of you. Felicity, I wish that had been more widely reported. I am pro abortion rights, but understand and respect those against abortion. It's nice to see that people on either side of the debate can act in a sane, calm manner. I guess it is another example of good news does not sell.

    Zyphlin, agree completely. I felt that if there was a problem with this whole thing it was not in President Obama accepting the invitation(if he had declined, some would have chosen to interpret it as a negative statement towards Notre Dame and Catholicism), but in the invitation being made at all.

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    Re: Catholics shout and interrupt Obama speech

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    Few times I have seen him have to answer or speak without a teleprompter he sucks..to call this man a "great orator" is ridiculous.
    The few times..... He did not use one in 3 debates he kicked McCain's ass in.
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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thanks to both of you. Felicity, I wish that had been more widely reported. I am pro abortion rights, but understand and respect those against abortion. It's nice to see that people on either side of the debate can act in a sane, calm manner. I guess it is another example of good news does not sell.
    Yeah--I agree--rather, they like to (as Obama condemned) promote caricatures like bloody dolls in strollers.

    Zyphlin, agree completely. I felt that if there was a problem with this whole thing it was not in President Obama accepting the invitation(if he had declined, some would have chosen to interpret it as a negative statement towards Notre Dame and Catholicism), but in the invitation being made at all.
    I disagree--this is TRULY a divisive issue, and ND is a Catholic college--not a public institution. As I already explained, Obama could have come across as very respectful of the debate by expressing his thoughts to Meacham in the interview he did for Newsweek as he flew to the commencement at Arizona and declining the honorary degree.

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    Re: Catholics shout and interrupt Obama speech

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Just saying, this stuff goes both ways. Obama is hardly the poster child for the pro-choice movement, and the Catholic Church has a lot more blackeyes on it than Obama has.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...-illinois.html

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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I disagree--this is TRULY a divisive issue, and ND is a Catholic college--not a public institution. As I already explained, Obama could have come across as very respectful of the debate by expressing his thoughts to Meacham in the interview he did for Newsweek as he flew to the commencement at Arizona and declining the honorary degree.
    I really think that in this country in the modern era(and probably earlier) the divisive nature of politics leads to the attempted destruction of those in the opposition at any cost by some. As such, if President Obama had declined the invitation, no matter what he said, some would view and promote the view that he declined the invitation because of what Notre Dame is. Once the invitation was made, he was damned no matter what he did.

    Course, since he accepted the invitation, we will never know who is right here.

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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I really think that in this country in the modern era(and probably earlier) the divisive nature of politics leads to the attempted destruction of those in the opposition at any cost by some. As such, if President Obama had declined the invitation, no matter what he said, some would view and promote the view that he declined the invitation because of what Notre Dame is. Once the invitation was made, he was damned no matter what he did.

    Course, since he accepted the invitation, we will never know who is right here.
    I can agree with that. But I'm looking at what reasonable people could understand. As a devout Catholic, I would respect Obama for having more class than the "Reverend" John I. Jenkins. As it is, I think pride influenced the decision and rather than impressed, it seems status quo posturing.
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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    I think the protests in the hall were rude but I find the general dislike among many to someone like Obama coming to give a speech quite a heartening thing, it shows some conviction left even among the young.

    We Anglicans in England have someone like Obama as our leader and we don't get half the protests unfortunately.
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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I think the protests in the hall were rude but I find the general dislike among many to someone like Obama coming to give a speech quite a heartening thing, it shows some conviction left even among the young.

    We Anglicans in England have someone like Obama as our leader and we don't get half the protests unfortunately.
    I really really like that interpretation!

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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I really really like that interpretation!
    I was talking about this leader:



    Not this one:



    But you could make it a general point about politics as well.
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    Re: Obama faces down abortion heckles

    Either way works, though my reference was actually to your first paragraph. I don't know jack about British politics or religious leaders.

    That reminds me, totally off topic but: is it just me, or are most Americans more ignorant of European politics than Europeans are about US politics?

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