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Obama wins over notre dame

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Obama Notre Dame Speech: FULL TEXT

Excerpt from President Obama's speech:

.....Unfortunately, finding that common ground - recognizing that our fates are tied up, as Dr. King said, in a "single garment of destiny" - is not easy. Part of the problem, of course, lies in the imperfections of man - our selfishness, our pride, our stubbornness, our acquisitiveness, our insecurities, our egos; all the cruelties large and small that those of us in the Christian tradition understand to be rooted in original sin. We too often seek advantage over others. We cling to outworn prejudice and fear those who are unfamiliar. Too many of us view life only through the lens of immediate self-interest and crass materialism; in which the world is necessarily a zero-sum game. The strong too often dominate the weak, and too many of those with wealth and with power find all manner of justification for their own privilege in the face of poverty and injustice. And so, for all our technology and scientific advances, we see around the globe violence and want and strife that would seem sadly familiar to those in ancient times.

We know these things; and hopefully one of the benefits of the wonderful education you have received is that you have had time to consider these wrongs in the world, and grown determined, each in your own way, to right them. And yet, one of the vexing things for those of us interested in promoting greater understanding and cooperation among people is the discovery that even bringing together persons of good will, men and women of principle and purpose, can be difficult.

The soldier and the lawyer may both love this country with equal passion, and yet reach very different conclusions on the specific steps needed to protect us from harm. The gay activist and the evangelical pastor may both deplore the ravages of HIV/AIDS, but find themselves unable to bridge the cultural divide that might unite their efforts. Those who speak out against stem cell research may be rooted in admirable conviction about the sacredness of life, but so are the parents of a child with juvenile diabetes who are convinced that their son's or daughter's hardships can be relieved.

The question, then, is how do we work through these conflicts? Is it possible for us to join hands in common effort? As citizens of a vibrant and varied democracy, how do we engage in vigorous debate? How does each of us remain firm in our principles, and fight for what we consider right, without demonizing those with just as strongly held convictions on the other side?

.....In this world of competing claims about what is right and what is true, have confidence in the values with which you've been raised and educated. Be unafraid to speak your mind when those values are at stake. Hold firm to your faith and allow it to guide you on your journey. Stand as a lighthouse.

But remember too that the ultimate irony of faith is that it necessarily admits doubt. It is the belief in things not seen. It is beyond our capacity as human beings to know with certainty what God has planned for us or what He asks of us, and those of us who believe must trust that His wisdom is greater than our own.

This doubt should not push us away from our faith. But it should humble us. It should temper our passions, and cause us to be wary of self-righteousness. It should compel us to remain open, and curious, and eager to continue the moral and spiritual debate that began for so many of you within the walls of Notre Dame. And within our vast democracy, this doubt should remind us to persuade through reason, through an appeal whenever we can to universal rather than parochial principles, and most of all through an abiding example of good works, charity, kindness, and service that moves hearts and minds.

For if there is one law that we can be most certain of, it is the law that binds people of all faiths and no faith together. It is no coincidence that it exists in Christianity and Judaism; in Islam and Hinduism; in Buddhism and humanism. It is, of course, the Golden Rule - the call to treat one another as we wish to be treated. The call to love. To serve. To do what we can to make a difference in the lives of those with whom we share the same brief moment on this Earth. .....

No wonder he won them over....the man is just the right one for these times.
What a privilege and a distinct blessing it is, that I am alive to witness it.
 
What a privilege and a distinct blessing it is, that I am alive to witness it.
Oh my...I think I'm gonna barf--:2sick1:--not due to Obama--I haven't read that part of your post yet, nor have I read what he had to say today. Your adulation is just a tad over the top.:doh Wow.:shock:
 
Oh my...I think I'm gonna barf--:2sick1:--not due to Obama--I haven't read that part of your post yet, nor have I read what he had to say today. Your adulation is just a tad over the top.:doh Wow.:shock:

over the top? He's the best thing since corn flakes. Sorry you don't feel that way. Maybe you long for the days of Bush and Cheney...or perhaps, Reagan.
By the way...my comments were secondary...the reason I posted the excerpt was for folks to read it, and hopefully, "get it". I failed.
 
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over the top? He's the best thing since corn flakes. Sorry you don't feel that way. Maybe you long for the days of Bush and Cheney...or perhaps, Reagan.
By the way...my comments were secondary...the reason I posted the excerpt was for folks to read it, and hopefully, "get it". I failed.

Hell yeah I long for the days of Reagan.

I read the excerpt. No, I don't "get it". Obama still hasn't proven he can do anything more than talk purty. I'll "get it" when I see some of this famed potential actually become a reality.
 
How is this breaking news? It's the text of a speech, not a news story.
 
over the top? He's the best thing since corn flakes. Sorry you don't feel that way. Maybe you long for the days of Bush and Cheney...or perhaps, Reagan.
By the way...my comments were secondary...the reason I posted the excerpt was for folks to read it, and hopefully, "get it". I failed.

Oh...I "get it.":doh

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Hell yeah I long for the days of Reagan.

I read the excerpt. No, I don't "get it". Obama still hasn't proven he can do anything more than talk purty. I'll "get it" when I see some of this famed potential actually become a reality.

It was an awesome speech. It was of value. I do tend to like President Obama more often than not, and this is a part of why.

That about uses up all the good I can say about it.
 
It was an awesome speech. It was of value. I do tend to like President Obama more often than not, and this is a part of why.

That about uses up all the good I can say about it.

Yeah, it's a great speech. He never fails to deliver on that front. I wish he would start delivering on great policies, though.

Why couldn't we have gotten someone of substance to be our first black president? Someone like Colin Powell? Or Condi. Damn...that would have been a real blessing.
 
Even Fox News found no way out of admitting that the crowd was largely in favor of Obama.

You know, some things just become "given", after a while. He (Obama) is the freshest breath of air, in 8 whole years...but some folks are loathe to admit it, and some never will. I can accept that, with trepidation. However what they must admit is that the country, as a whole, approves of whatever it is he is doing, by wide margins (say 60-70%)...and one can argue all day about the rightness or the wrongness of it all, but the fact remains.
I'm hot, behind Gov. Rick Perry, continuing to discuss the remote possibility of Texas seceding the Union. He needs to be in a mental institution. And has the hopes of being in the running for 2012.....talk about the visible impotency in the presence of Sarah Palin, in a GOP conference, some months back. We had one P-whipped president...we hardly need a repeat.
Not to digress, but Kay Bailey Hutchinson, loon that she is, will beat him 'handily" in the next governor's race...if a Democrat doesn't appear to be the spoiler.


Someone please tell Jallman, that we hardly need an Uncle Tom in the Oval Office....speaking of Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Blacks in white-face, is all they are, although Colin Powell's mea culpa is promising and hopeful, that even Republicans can "see the light".
 
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Yeah, it's a great speech. He never fails to deliver on that front. I wish he would start delivering on great policies, though.

Why couldn't we have gotten someone of substance to be our first black president? Someone like Colin Powell? Or Condi. Damn...that would have been a real blessing.

To me he has started doing some good things. I think what he has done good has outweighed what he has done poorly. A little. Barely.

My greatest fear for an Obama presidency is that what he will be remembered for is "first black president". He has the potential to be so much more than that.

I would have a very hard time not voting for Colin Powell. Condi I would have to consider, but it depends on where she stands on alot of issues that she really does not discuss. I will grant that few if any people in this country know more about foreign policy, and is able to articulate what she knows extremely well.
 
Please. Must we have an exhibition of "histrionics", eschewing common sense or reasonable retort. The video derails the thread. Thanks. So predictable.

No more predictable than the lavish fawning of affection on the Hopemeister by one of his lapdogs. :shrug:
 


Someone please tell Jallman, that we hardly need an Uncle Tom in the Oval Office....speaking of Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Blacks in white-face, is all they are, although Colin Powell's mea culpa is promising and hopeful, that even Republicans can "see the light".

Wow. Just wow. You disagree with their politics, so that makes them "uncle toms"?
 


Someone please tell Jallman, that we hardly need an Uncle Tom in the Oval Office....speaking of Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Blacks in white-face, is all they are, although Colin Powell's mea culpa is promising and hopeful, that even Republicans can "see the light".

Why don't you man up and tell me yourself, champ, instead of playing the histrionic drama queen and talking through others. :shrug:

I find it very telling that you, again, start throwing the race divide around by calling powerful and respected African Americans "Uncle Tom's" because you have a disagreement with their politics. "Blacks in white-face"? Seriously?

I, for one, am glad that all the black people I know, for the most part, have a sane view of race relations rather than this blathering nonsense you have spewed from day one. You and Al Sharpton are everything that is wrong with race relations in this country today.
 
Wow. Just wow. You disagree with their politics, so that makes them "uncle toms"?

Wow, just wow??????? Hell, yeah I disagree with their politics...but that is not what makes them Uncle Toms. The fact that they failed to hold the Bush administration accountable, in all things, but especially things which impacted blacks and persons of color, negatively, specifically, and could continue being "mouthpieces" for the administration, is what makes them Uncle Toms.
I know it might be hard for you to understand, but the notion or the concept of "selling one down the river", still resonates within the black community. They simply forgot where they came from...and that is a big "no-no".
 
I know it might be hard for you to understand, but the notion or the concept of "selling one down the river", still resonates within the black community. They simply forgot where they came from...and that is a big "no-no".

Yeah, they came from AMERICA, not AMURRCA. I would hope that the black community would be proud of the status achieved and the honor shown by these great people.
 
Wow. Just wow. You disagree with their politics, so that makes them "uncle toms"?


Kinda funny since if anyone is an "Uncle Tom" (or an "Oreo" for that matter) it would be Obama...


Obama is a privelaged white kid whose black half simply gave him skin tone. His life has been run by whites. His background is a white. His lifestyle is basically as a white. His education is as a white. The black half ran out on him when he was a kid.
Barring skin tone Obama for all practical purposes is a privileged white who has nothing in common with most blacks beyond outer skin color/hair type.


I think its safe to say the person who made the comment voted for Obama..I think its safe to say they voted for Obama based on the visual color of his skin.
They voted for what they call an Uncle Tom.
 
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Obama WINS over Notra Dame???? :lamo

WTF does he need to talk about ABORTION at a Catholic University graduation ceremony? The guy has the class of a turd.

Obama calls for 'common ground' on abortion at Notre Dame

SOUTH BEND, Indiana (CNN) -- President Obama delved into the abortion debate in a controversial Notre Dame commencement address Sunday, calling for a search for common ground on one of the most divisive issues in American politics.


President Obama's appearance at the University of Notre Dame's graduation touched off a storm of controversy.

Addressing a sharply divided audience at the storied Catholic university, Obama conceded that no matter how much Americans "may want to fudge it ... at some level the views of the two camps are irreconcilable."

Obama calls for 'common ground' on abortion at Notre Dame - CNN.com

Keyes, priest arrested at Notre Dame protest
By TOM COYNE – 2 days ago

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Former Republican presidential hopeful Alan Keyes, a Roman Catholic priest and 19 others were arrested Friday after marching onto the University of Notre Dame campus to protest President Barack Obama's planned commencement speech.

The arrests marked the third straight Friday that protesters have been detained. They are angry about the school's decision to give Obama, who supports abortion rights and embryonic stem-cell research, an honorary degree and have him speak at Sunday's commencement.

"Notre Dame is arresting a priest," the Rev. Norman Weslin, founder of the Lambs of Christ abortion protest group, said as Notre Dame security personnel put plastic restraints on his wrists Friday. "Why are you arresting a priest for trying to stop the killing of a baby? You've got it all backward."

The Associated Press: Keyes, priest arrested at Notre Dame protest

Obama calls for 'common ground' on abortion at Notre Dame - CNN.com

That's your idea of winning people over?? :wow:
 
Kinda funny since if anyone is an "Uncle Tom" (or an "Oreo" for that matter) it would be Obama...

I think its safe to say the person who made the comment voted for Obama..I think its safe to say they voted for Obama based on the visual color of his skin.
They voted for what they call an Uncle Tom.

Obama is no uncle tom either.
 
It was an awesome speech. It was of value.
Speeches have no value. Dear Leader was dead wrong on that during the campaign--as he is wrong about most every other topic under the sun. "Just words" are just that....just words. And, in his case, empty, hollow, meaningless words. He says much, promise more, delivers not a damn thing.
 
Why don't you man up and tell me yourself, champ, instead of playing the histrionic drama queen and talking through others. :shrug:

I find it very telling that you, again, start throwing the race divide around by calling powerful and respected African Americans "Uncle Tom's" because you have a disagreement with their politics. "Blacks in white-face"? Seriously?

I, for one, am glad that all the black people I know, for the most part, have a sane view of race relations rather than this blathering nonsense you have spewed from day one. You and Al Sharpton are everything that is wrong with race relations in this country today.

Although I have you on "self-ignore", let me come off for a moment to address your concerns. You disrespected me. You continue to disrespect me. Therefore I will not engage you. I will overlook your posts, and pretend you do not exist. You have operated dishonestly, and I can find no redeeming qualities to your posts. That being said, why don't you move on, as I have done...because my mission is not to leave here, under duress, but to try to contribute to this forum, in a meaningful way. Rather than to comment on my posts, feel free to ignore them, as I am ignoring you. You think me less than human. I'm not going to reciprocate. I'm going to let you alone. Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated.
 
Wow, just wow??????? Hell, yeah I disagree with their politics...but that is not what makes them Uncle Toms. The fact that they failed to hold the Bush administration accountable, in all things, but especially things which impacted blacks and persons of color, negatively, specifically, and could continue being "mouthpieces" for the administration, is what makes them Uncle Toms.
I know it might be hard for you to understand, but the notion or the concept of "selling one down the river", still resonates within the black community. They simply forgot where they came from...and that is a big "no-no".

Nothing you said changes the fact that you call them uncle toms because their politics are different than yours. So shallow for one who thinks he's so knowledgeable.
 
Although I have you on "self-ignore", let me come off for a moment to address your concerns. You disrespected me. You continue to disrespect me. Therefore I will not engage you. I will overlook your posts, and pretend you do not exist. You have operated dishonestly, and I can find no redeeming qualities to your posts. That being said, why don't you move on, as I have done...because my mission is not to leave here, under duress, but to try to contribute to this forum, in a meaningful way. Rather than to comment on my posts, feel free to ignore them, as I am ignoring you. You think me less than human. I'm not going to reciprocate. I'm going to let you alone. Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated.

I'm going to continue to call you on your dishonest bull**** at every turn. If you want to tuck tail and run, more power to you but you can rest assured that I will not curb my passions to protect your overly tender sensibilities. I don't cooperate with race baiters and hysterics so get over it.

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