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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Better than relying on some Nazi drivel that you tried to pull.
    2 wrongs.

    I did not read what it is about, but courts sometimes suck.

    Yet, none of 2 wrongs is better, unless you go emotional, which would bring the 3rd wrong.
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Better than relying on some Nazi drivel that you tried to pull.
    I was demonstrating the failure of your analogy.

    Also, specifically, one should read "Nazi drivel" as the quoting of some Nazi figure to establish a position, which I did not do, and not merely drawing accurate parallels to real historic events, which I did do.

    Just because something is legal, or ethical according to politically motivated self-interested parties, doesn't make it either moral or ethical.

    So, you failed on the analogy front.

    You failed on the Argument from Authority.

    You haven't defined the moral basis of killing humans, and you lack even the courage to admit the unborn are distinct human organisms.

    So, where, exactly, do you get the idea that it's the moral or ethical path to murder these people?
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    (looks at the 15 pages of random BS) Is it too late to give my opinion yet? Not like anyone would care?

    Ah well, here we go:

    I think this thread is a bit...too much? Obama is the...well...PRESIDENT. Of course he is going to be recieved well wherever he goes, even in Texas! Obama didn't win over anyone that wasn't already won over. Even look at George Bush, he didn't get cheers, but every speech he made, people still clapped when he finished, does that mean he was recieved well? or that he was even right?

    Beside, who cares. Even if Obama won over Notre Dame(And that is a big IF), why should that change my opinion of him or his policies?
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwaters View Post
    How about Democraticans? But I think the party prefers Democrat-singular, Democrats-plural, and Democratic Party.

    Thats the one thing Republics don't understand. You get to name yourself. Notice how nobody complains about my renaming on the Republic party? they think it's okay.
    I think nobody cares, except for those who get all wound about about minor differences in the name of a political party.
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I was demonstrating the failure of your analogy.

    Also, specifically, one should read "Nazi drivel" as the quoting of some Nazi figure to establish a position, which I did not do, and not merely drawing accurate parallels to real historic events, which I did do.

    Just because something is legal, or ethical according to politically motivated self-interested parties, doesn't make it either moral or ethical.

    So, you failed on the analogy front.

    You failed on the Argument from Authority.

    You haven't defined the moral basis of killing humans, and you lack even the courage to admit the unborn are distinct human organisms.

    So, where, exactly, do you get the idea that it's the moral or ethical path to murder these people?
    First of all, it's not murder. Second, it's not people. Third fetuses don't equate to Jews and doctors don't equate to Nazis.

    That will be all.

    But just to prove I'm a sport and don't support Hitler:


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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Abortion after the first term is taking a human life. I very much do care about this. I have given much time and financial support to a Catholic charity that supports underage girls through a pregnancy and helps facilitate adoptions.

    thank you for answering. i disagree, but i can respect your answer.


    I could never force an underage girl to carry to term. Nor could I force a victim of incest or rape to carry to term. And there are a number of other complicated medical issues that should be between a woman and her doctor.

    i reluctantly agree, it is most unfortunate, but sometimes this is the best option.



    As far as using abortion as a form of birth control, I do everything I can to provide women/girls with an alternative choice, spiritual counseling when they ask for it, foster care support when the state deems it appropriate, and information and support on adoption.

    +1


    My question to you Reverend_Hellhound: Are you for the criminalizing of all abortions regardless or circumstances, mental and physical health issues? (Not trying to confront you, I just don't know where you stand)

    no.


    I think though the difference between me and you is the timeline. i think 3 months is an arbritrary timeline. I look at the development of the fetus, and personally call it at 4 weeks, though i much rather it be 2 because at 4 weeks, things are starting to develop. i will grant 8 weeks very reluctantly because of societal concerns.


    Granted this is hard, to me even at 4 weeks. but that is where I would compromise. in the case of medical, psychiatric, rape and incest, or any other out of control circumstances.
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Blah. Nothing in the hippocratic oath precludes the ability of a doctor to perform an abortion as it is read today. Try again but next time try just a little harder.


    Really?


    have you read the origional?
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really?


    have you read the origional?
    Yes, really. And Scarecrow posted the original so I read it then again.

    Medical ethics by today's standards do not preclude abortion in the first trimester. It is morally inconsequential, nazis aside.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, really. And Scarecrow posted the original so I read it then again.

    Medical ethics by today's standards do not preclude abortion in the first trimester. It is morally inconsequential, nazis aside.


    f the nazis.... i admit to not reading the discussion. but from the origional...



    I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion

    I see nothing about the "1st trimester".
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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    f the nazis.... i admit to not reading the discussion. but from the origional...






    I see nothing about the "1st trimester".
    That's the original hippocratic oath of thousands of years ago. I have no interest in what ancient greeks, who also believed that all sickness was a result of 4 humers being out of balance or some such nonsense, have to think about medical ethics today.

    Nothing, from today's medical ethics, precludes abortion being performed in the first trimester.

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