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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Approved medically. Which is what counts.
    Heck, that's great logic.

    The Nazi's approved, medically, of using CO gas at Treblinka, and Zyclone B at Auschwitz, too.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    Depends. What are the cirmcumstances that brought the woman/girl to have to make this choice?
    Why? If it's strictly a medical procedure to remove an unwanted medical condition, why the hesitation. You KNOW why....

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Which was an irrelevant framing of the question, which I pointed out. Morally isn't the issue here. Medical ethics are the issue.
    Medical ethics start with the [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath]Hippocratic Oath[/ame]:

    I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
    To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

    I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

    I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
    So much for the "ethics" of abortion.

    Also, the goal of abortion is the slaughter of a human being.

    Ergo, abortion isn't compatible with medical ethics.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If I must repeat again for our less shining students, morally it is acceptable too because it is a morally neutral situation.
    No. It's not morally neutral.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah we all know how much you conservatives LOVE the 1st amendment like when those wearing T-shirts against Bush were escorted away from him and the responses were along the lines of "Well that is the right of Bush".

    ****ing hypocrites.
    I"m not a conservative.

    Better luck next time.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Heck, that's great logic.

    The Nazi's approved, medically, of using CO gas at Treblinka, and Zyclone B at Auschwitz, too.
    I don't take seriously any argument that includes caterwauling about how the Nazis did such and such.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Medical ethics start with the Hippocratic Oath:



    So much for the "ethics" of abortion.

    Also, the goal of abortion is the slaughter of a human being.

    Ergo, abortion isn't compatible with medical ethics.




    No. It's not morally neutral.

    Blah. Nothing in the hippocratic oath precludes the ability of a doctor to perform an abortion as it is read today. Try again but next time try just a little harder.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Blah. Nothing in the hippocratic oath precludes the ability of a doctor to perform an abortion. Try again but next time try just a little harder.
    It depends on what "is" is...

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    It depends on what "is" is...
    If you want to be obtuse about it, sure. But the fact is, abortion is a medical procedure, approved by medical professionals, to alleviate an unwanted medical condition, namely pregnancy. Take it up with the courts if you have a problem with it. Otherwise, your hysterics fall on deaf ears here.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you want to be obtuse about it, sure. But the fact is, abortion is a medical procedure, approved by medical professionals, to alleviate an unwanted medical condition, namely pregnancy. Take it up with the courts if you have a problem with it. Otherwise, your hysterics fall on deaf ears here.
    Nice edit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman

    ...as it is read today.

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    Re: Obama wins over notre dame

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Nice edit.
    What's your problem with it?

    Let me go ahead and spare us the lengthy discussion...

    Felicity: Abortion kills babies
    Joey: No it doesn't, it kills fetuses
    Felicity: <insert some random definition that poorly attempts to equate fetuses with babies.
    Joey: Not buying it.
    Felicity: you're being emotional <insert random dismissal with a lot of foolish smilies to punctuate it>
    Joey: <exasperated sigh> we're done here.

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