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Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker

Change Biden to Cheney and all your buts vanish...
If Biden wasn't attached to Obamas ass all your buts vanish....
You've even gone so far as to act like you always knew it was there.

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Now learn to comprehend what you read.

I said-

I didn't know about this until Biden told about it. I added the line "loose lips sink ships" because once a secret like this is out..the ship is sunk.


I then seperated that comment on this instance with ///////// and made a comment overall about the left and their flippant dismissal(as displayed by you) of anything like this.


So giggle it up get slapped on the ass by posters who do the same, mock people..call me a NEOCON!.....it matters not at all to me. I'll simply use it to repeat what I said and why.





I notice this more and more form many(not all) posters here..instead of bothering to reply to what a person says for what they said they either play extreme word technicalities or simply mock anyone who disagrees with their vaunted opinion.

Not impressed.

The reason that we are not taking this overly seriously is that it really is not news. Nothing revealed that will come as a surprise to any one who would ever care to know. Was Biden an idiot? Yes. Is this a big deal? Well, more than telepromptergate, and shoegate, NotreDameGate, and all the other trivial things that some on the right are complaining about, but not by much.
 
Things are only a secret to the public at large. The bad guys already know our so-called secrets, so this is a non-starter.
 
Things are only a secret to the public at large. The bad guys already know our so-called secrets, so this is a non-starter.

Some, but hardly all. That is no excuse to stupidly talk about those secrets in inappropriate places as Biden did.

By the way...does any one actually like Biden?
 
Things are only a secret to the public at large. The bad guys already know our so-called secrets, so this is a non-starter.
most of the "bunkers" are left over from cold war days. The Russians know where each one of them are and it's not classified with them. It's just an excuse to whine about Joe Biden.
 
Yeah, like no one knew about the bunkers. Well maybe not Mary Matalin, but then again we're talkin' Mary Matalin...LOL.

I'm sure the wingnuts were just as outraged at Cheney for mentioning the bunkers back in 2002...;)
"My [Secret Service] agent all of a sudden materialized right beside me and said, 'Sir, we have to leave now.' He grabbed me and propelled me out of my office, down the hall, and into the underground shelter in the White House," Cheney said
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A relic of the Cold War, the deep underground bunker became the vice president's base of operations on the first day of a new war.


CNN.com - Cheney recalls taking charge from bunker - September 11, 2002
 
Yeah, like no one knew about the bunkers. Well maybe not Mary Matalin, but then again we're talkin' Mary Matalin...LOL.

I'm sure the wingnuts were just as outraged at Cheney for mentioning the bunkers back in 2002...;)

Considering who she worked for, I am almost certain she knows about more bunkers than we do.

By the way, and totally off topic, does any one else find the fact that she is married to James Carvelle kinda oddly romantic? Two people, at the tops of their fields but as opponents, and yet they still seem to share a deep abiding love.
 
So Biden said "hey there's a secret bunker in my house." The house everyone knows he lives in. Number One Observatory Circle. A secret room in a house that anyone familiar with the Vice President knows serves as his residence.

Imagine that, a bunker designed to provide safety and communications to the VP and his staff located in his house. Wow...that's just unbelievable. What's next? Safe rooms and communications equipment in the White House? Surely not. I mean they wouldn't do that would they? Man I hope nobody spills the beans on that one. :roll:

What really has he actually revealed here? Sure it's dumb to advertise, but it's a well known, highly secured locations to begin with. It's not beyond reason to assume there would be a highly secure bunker or safe room there. Besides, it's already common knowledge that a lot of highly sensitive, underground digging and construction were done there. Neighbors complained about it according to the article. Hmmm...wonder what that could have been for? Tornados?

I don't see a big deal at all. Every citizen knows that the residences of top level officials and the capital etc have all of these types of protective areas... It's common knowledge there's a bunker below the white house, and I always had a thought there was something similar under the Vice Presidents residence- I even have an idea that there is a tunnel connecting the bunker under the Vp's residence to the White House.
 
I don't see a big deal at all. Every citizen knows that the residences of top level officials and the capital etc have all of these types of protective areas... It's common knowledge there's a bunker below the white house, and I always had a thought there was something similar under the Vice Presidents residence- I even have an idea that there is a tunnel connecting the bunker under the Vp's residence to the White House.

Apparently people like us are abnormal in that we can look at this and go "huh, so they really do have a bunker under the VP's house...who didn't see that one coming."

But some on this forum feel the need to blow this up into something it's not. It's feigned outrage. I don't give a **** that some folks on DP forums think Joe Biden has compromised our national security by telling some folks he has a secret bunker at his house. There is no way they can articulate exactly how it does in any reasonable fashion. It's just so much ado about nothing.

FYI...Moon, this little mini rant was not directed at you. See separate response below.
 
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Releasing classified material, assuming this was classified, is always a threat to national security.
How? Just because it's classified does not mean it has any measurable impact upon our national security. If this is the stance we are going to take, then let's articulate just how this compromises our national security.

Many people might suspect that there was a bunker under the VP's residence, but now that they know for sure, it narrows the focus of any type of planning that an adversary might be planing. We'll see if any more details are released.
Well, if they were reasonably intelligent people to begin with, they would assume that there were protective measures or safe rooms to begin with. It is after all the VP's house and it is surrounded by armed guards, fences, and cameras. However, if they were so dumb as to think that once they pass the guards they are a deadbolt away from the VP, his family, and all those things the VP would keep at his house...well this "new" information about the secret bunker fortification might just make them think twice about even trying it. Or maybe they could bring a tank with a robotic laser arm or something?
Regardless, this was a dumb move by the VP.
Agreed.
 
How? Just because it's classified does not mean it has any measurable impact upon our national security. If this is the stance we are going to take, then let's articulate just how this compromises our national security.

Regardless of your opinion on the value of classified material, the fact that it's classified carries a certain weight, and if that material is divulged, there are penalties.


Well, if they were reasonably intelligent people to begin with, they would assume that there were protective measures or safe rooms to begin with. It is after all the VP's house and it is surrounded by armed guards, fences, and cameras. However, if they were so dumb as to think that once they pass the guards they are a deadbolt away from the VP, his family, and all those things the VP would keep at his house...well this "new" information about the secret bunker fortification might just make them think twice about even trying it. Or maybe they could bring a tank with a robotic laser arm or something?

Assuming and knowing are two very different things.

 
Change Biden to Cheney and all your buts vanish...
If Biden wasn't attached to Obamas ass all your buts vanish....
And this is what makes you who you are and what makes me who I am. I'm not a mind reader like you. A mind reader whose really bad at what he does.
:rofl

You've even gone so far as to act like you always knew it was there.
Wrong again Triad. I've assumed as much because it makes sense for it to be there. No need to be dishonest Karnak.

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Agreed.


Now learn to comprehend what you read.
Okay sir, with a teacher of your caliber this should be like recess!

I said-

I didn't know about this until Biden told about it. I added the line "loose lips sink ships" because once a secret like this is out..the ship is sunk.
Really? How so? If I could surmise it was there, and the neighbors knew there was deep underground digging going on...I'm pretty sure that our enemies probably could have surmised the same thing. So again, what "ship has been sunk?" The secret for secrets sake?

I then seperated that comment on this instance with ///////// and made a comment overall about the left and their flippant dismissal(as displayed by you) of anything like this.
Which is just more of your usual non-relevant rhetorical turd slinging.

So giggle it up get slapped on the ass by posters who do the same, mock people..call me a NEOCON!.....it matters not at all to me. I'll simply use it to repeat what I said and why.
This coming from the guy who says things like "This is one of many reasons why I don't trust the left on anything related to maters of national Security..
They take secrets reveal them or hear of them and then deny it matters."


Yeah all the time that's what they do! The left just runs around blabbing national security secrets to anyone who will listen! :rofl

I notice this more and more form many(not all) posters here..instead of bothering to reply to what a person says for what they said they either play extreme word technicalities or simply mock anyone who disagrees with their vaunted opinion.
Well what do you want me to say? When you make such stupid comments as the one above I kinda feel like I'm doing you a favor by not pointing out how ignorant you make yourself sound.

Not impressed.
Right back at ya Champ.
 
Regardless of your opinion on the value of classified material, the fact that it's classified carries a certain weight, and if that material is divulged, there are penalties.

Now wait a minute. I agree there are penalties to disclosing classified information, that is not at question here. What is at question are the claims that what Joe Biden said actually compromised our national security to any measurable degree. And in that sense the weight of the classified information is absolutely relevant.

Thus, my calls for some kind of articulation on the "how so" from earlier.
Assuming and knowing are two very different things.
I agree. However, can you reasonably articulate how assuming and knowing would weigh in with regards to planning an actual attack on the VP's house? Because I can easily make a case that it would potentially cause plotters to move on to a less defensible target. We are speculating after all you know. ;)
 
Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker

And?

And?

Who says he is stupid?

He has protected himself, because now any enemy knows where NOT to bomb.

Who says he is stupid?
 
Now wait a minute. I agree there are penalties to disclosing classified information, that is not at question here. What is at question are the claims that what Joe Biden said actually compromised our national security to any measurable degree. And in that sense the weight of the classified information is absolutely relevant.

Thus, my calls for some kind of articulation on the "how so" from earlier.

It would depend on the reasons behind why the information was classified in the first place (assuming it is). Trust me, it doesn't always make sense. I've read about things in the paper that I knew were classified, but still couldn't talk about them because they were still considered classified.

I agree. However, can you reasonably articulate how assuming and knowing would weigh in with regards to planning an actual attack on the VP's house? Because I can easily make a case that it would potentially cause plotters to move on to a less defensible target. We are speculating after all you know. ;)

It was just something off the top of my head, so I really don't have a good argument for it.
 
Every reply you made to me Lerxst was nothing but snide lil comments aimed directly at me. In fact baring maybe 1 in 10 of your posts that is all you do on this forum. Post a comment then bash anyone who says anything outside what you like.

So I reported you. You can tell the mods why you attack other posters all the time..
 
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Every reply you made to me Lerxst was nothing but snide lil comments to either impress yourself or others who post like you.

Reported.
Nothing new there, sometimes he shows a mean streak.
 
Nothing new there, sometimes he shows a mean streak.

Its not mean its simply incapable of responding to people he does not agree with in any manner that says 'here is an Adult'.

I'm simply not going to play.
 
I don't think it really matters, if it did why would he tell everyone where the bunker was?
 
Moderator's Warning:
Everyone needs to stop the personal attacks and comments and get back to the topic.
 
Just think! If we could just get Joe to take the White House Press Corps on a tour of his underground bunker, imagine all the problems that could be solved with one mixer-truck's worth of wet cement.
 
Redress said:
Considering who she worked for, I am almost certain she knows about more bunkers than we do.
LOL...I only mentioned her because this was in the article I posted.
"I didn't know that it existed until I was actually down there, and I'm sure I could find my way back there to this day," said Mary Matalin, a counselor to the vice president.
Redress said:
By the way, and totally off topic, does any one else find the fact that she is married to James Carvelle kinda oddly romantic? Two people, at the tops of their fields but as opponents, and yet they still seem to share a deep abiding love.
In their case, the saying 'Politics makes strange bedfellows' never rang truer.
 
I don't think it really matters, if it did why would he tell everyone where the bunker was?

Because the platform that some posters like Triad, American, and Vicchio are trying to run on is that because Biden is a liberal democrat he is both stupid and doesn't care about national security. Thus all this nonsense about him damaging national security.

I'll admit I don't have much use for some of the things he says, and he really didn't need to say this, but there is no way he damaged our national security by this. And therein lies the problem for some of the posters in this thread. They don't even try to articulate their case because they realize they can't substantiate the positions they have taken.

The only one who has made any real attempt is Moon, but if you notice his position is not nearly as extreme or absolute as some of the others. He's wisely left himself latitude by not immediately leaping to conclusions about the ramifications of this incident. Kudos to Moon, he get's it. Even though he and I obviously disagree on some of these points...he get's it.
 
So what? The Vice President has a bunker? Yawn.

And obviously Blackdog gets it. Thank you. It's like I was trying to explain earlier, this is akin to someone saying that Air Force One has anti-missile technology on board. Okay, maybe not everyone knew that, maybe the technology is in fact classified, in fact I'm sure it is. But how does that actually compromise anything? It's completely reasonable to assume there would be protective measures in place, even a bunker, at the VP's house. Okay...so?
 
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