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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yeah. The difference is you're completely wrong about the gay marriage bit. I'd go into the reasons why but that would be a most unwarranted thread hijack. I will invite you to research the comments I have made elsewhere on DP specifically on that topic.
    Whatever, you know what I meant by my comments and any further hijacking on this thread of my meaning other than I support the rights to protest, but don't support the actual protests would be a hijack on your part, don't do it again ok?

    I support the right of the Catholics to protest, but don't agree with their views, thus don't agree with the actual protest (Which doesn't mean I don't support their right to).

    Any further hijacking of my point that I stated will go on report Celti.
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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How dare he do anything other than resign and slouch his way back to Chicago?

    Ok, I confess....that is what I hope for daily. Big surprise, I know.

    Actually on point, however, is that as much as he advocates aborting babies, even to the point of throwing the ones that survive abortion procedures in the medical waste bin, it may be credibly argued that accepting an honor from an institution which condemns abortion is disingenuous in the extreme.

    A man of integrity with his views on abortion would not accept the invite. Not that Dear Leader was ever confused with a man of integrity.
    He does not advocate aborting babies, he advocates a woman having the right to have the option to have an abortion. You are not so dumb as to not be able to see the difference.

    On whether he should or should not accept an invitation, there is nothing morally wrong with accepting an invitation. The people who should make the choice as to whether President Obama belongs there are the people who run the place, and they decided that having president Obama there was appropriate. If they had not invited President Obama, this controversy would not exist. Trying to spin this as President Obama is somehow in the wrong, or lacking integrity for accepting an invitation is incredibly petty.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Likewise, you should support the protesters at Notre Dame, and refrain from inviting them to shut about their views.

    THAT is how you defend the First Amendment.
    I totally support their right to protest. Just keep in mind the following:

    1) Don't trespass on private property.

    2) Don't use children in an inappropriate manner.

    3) Keep your clothes on.

    Follow these simple rules and you won't get arrested.

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    19 Obama protesters arrested at Notre Dame

    OK, I am going to play a little Devil's advocate here...... Well, not really, because I believe that, in a free society, people have the right to protest openly any grievances against their government, as long as they do it peacefully. Seems to me that those protesting were doing so peacefully, but were arrested for tresspassing. So we are actually looking at several issues here.

    1) First of all, the protesters were anti-abortionists. I might not agree with them, but I defend their right to protest. How about the Liberals who were arrested protesting Bush events? Would they support a group they are opposed to protesting a president that they generally support? I hope so. This is what makes America.... well, America.

    2) They were arrested on "private property" - Well, yes, I guess a university could be considered private property, but since it IS open to the public, I would say that protesters are not doing anything wrong by protesting at a university. Lord only knows how many Liberals have protested on college campuses over the years. Again, I would hope that they would agree that they would support the same "right to protest" for those who have different views than they do.

    3) Once more, I bring up the right to protest in a peaceful manner for redress of grievances against the government, and in order to do so, those who protest need to be able to do that within earshot of the government. Obama is a very hard man to get hold of, as busy as he is. So, when you can catch him at one of those rare times he IS within earshot, there is nothing wrong letting him hear your voices, right? Or would you rather we go back to the Bush era of so-called "freedom zones" that were miles out of hearing range of the president? So again, to the Liberals, what say you?

    Honest answers only please. If you say "yes", that anti-abortionists have the same support from you to protest, even if you don't like their message, then kudos to you, and I will buy you a beer at the Tavern. If you say "no", then IMHO, you have some 'spainin' to do.

    I would also like to hear opinions from the right, as well as the left, on this issue.

    NOTE: I am not attempting to stir the pot, so to speak, but would like to have a good discussion, and see if Liberals and anti-abortionists can find some common ground - You know, like on the issue of a right to a peaceful protest without being harassed by the government. If there is agreement, then guess what? We may not all be as different as you think, because the Constitution is neither right nor left, but American, which encompasses both sides.

    What do you think?

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I totally support their right to protest. Just keep in mind the following:

    1) Don't trespass on private property.

    2) Don't use children in an inappropriate manner.

    3) Keep your clothes on.

    Follow these simple rules and you won't get arrested.
    Alan Keyes took his clothes off?
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    Re: 19 Obama protesters arrested at Notre Dame

    1) I have no problem with the protesters in this case. This is a free country, and if Nazi's have the right to assemble, I would hope that abortion protesters can too.

    2) Depends entirely on the owner of the property, in this case the heads of Notre Dame. If they asked for the protesters be charged with trespass, that is fine with me. If they did not, then arresting the protesters on that charge is probably not the best idea.

    3) I agree with you with one thing to add. This is a graduation. The center of attention should be the graduates and the ceremony. This did not happen in this case, and that is sad to me.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Alan Keyes took his clothes off?
    I don't think Alan Keyes takes his clothes off even at home. Probably sinful.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Alan Keyes took his clothes off?
    No, but it's been a long time since that dude streaked at the oscars, so I figure we're overdue.

    BTW--I've been at two high school graduations where someone streaked. June in California...

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I totally support their right to protest.

    I don't. Protestors rarely solve anything and only serve to antagonize the issues. In the end, protestors are merely making themselves feel better about something they have no control over by behaving badly. Something tells me that if their favorite celebrity was offerred to speak at their graduation, he would be welcome no matter his opinions on such things. The worst protestor is the campus veteran not yet seasoned by real life. Look at a college protest and you will find a percentage that is merely following the crowd.
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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I don't. Protestors rarely solve anything and only serve to antagonize the issues. In the end, protestors are merely making themselves feel better about something they have no control over by behaving badly. Something tells me that if their favorite celebrity was offerred to speak at their graduation, he would be welcome no matter his opinions on such things. The worst protestor is the campus veteran not yet seasoned by real life.
    Boston tea party, Selma, Hippies in DC. Just saying. Protesters in America have a long history of getting what they want.
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