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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sounded to me that he was more hacked about the venue of the protest. The only credible First Amendment response to that is "Deal with it."
    There have been a few issues in this thread, but I agree with the response in bold.
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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    No, they are not. If you support the right to protest you earn the privilege of shutting up when someone chooses to do it at a time and place you find unpleasant.
    The RIGHT to protest and the actual protest are two separate things.

    I will support the rights of PETA to protest, but I don't Support their actual protests (meaning I don't believe in what they are protesting).

    Two seperate issues here people.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Sounded to me that he was more hacked about the venue of the protest. The only credible First Amendment response to that is "Deal with it."
    No,l I don't agree with their views. Again that is what is meant by believing in their right to protest, but not their actual protest.

    Meaning I don't agree with what they are protesting so I don'g agree with the actual protest, not that I don't agree with their RIGHT to protest.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I said he should do something right for a change and not show up. As a staunch advocate of aborting babies he has no place being within earshot of anything Catholic.

    As he is there by invitation and thus the pleasure (and error) of the University, not having him there poses no crisis for the 1st Amendment.
    Just when you think you have seen everything, some one comes up with something more insane than you could imagine. You are so desperate to find something to complain about, that you have now moved from complaining that President Obama uses a teleprompter, to President Obama actually dares actually accept an invitation he was offered. How dare he go where he was invited.

    This is why you guys on the right are viewed as "the party of no". You have zero message except to complain.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Guys when you say you AGREE with a protest you are saying you agree with their views. When you say you disagree with their protest, you say you are disagreeing with their views.

    Now if you can show me examples where that is not the case feel free.

    But not supporting a protesting yet supporting the RIGHT to protest are two separate things that I have said from the start.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    There have been a few issues in this thread, but I agree with the response in bold.
    Yes, I used my 1st amendment right in saying the shouldn't have (i.e. chose not to themselves) to protest at the graduation. THEIR CHOSE, not forced.

    That isn't a 1st amendment violation, that is saying they should have chose not to at the graduation.

    Again I fail to see how wanting them to CHOOSE to do something (their own free will) is against the 1st amendment. Care to show me how?

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No,l I don't agree with their views. Again that is what is meant by believing in their right to protest, but not their actual protest.
    A protest is an exercise of the right. You cannot support the right if you do not support the exercise. The two positions are antithetical to each other.

    You don't think it's wrong for Dear Leader to be polluting the Notre Dame campus with his presence. Fine and dandy. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. There are a number of Catholics who hold the opposite opinion, and they are entitled to it. There are a number of pro-life types who are opposed to Dear Leader receiving any type of acknowledgment from a pro-life institution, and they are entitled to it.

    As they are entitled to their opinions, they should protest if they hold those opinions with requisite passion--as it appears they do.

    Let me repeat for emphasis: If they hold their opinions with that much passion, they should protest. That is the path of conscience; that is the right thing to do.

    I disagree with your views here. I have not protested you posting here nor have I invited you to shut up about them. I support you posting here, even as I take the time and trouble to explicate at length the egregious errors of your ways.

    Likewise, you should support the protesters at Notre Dame, and refrain from inviting them to shut about their views.

    THAT is how you defend the First Amendment.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    A protest is an exercise of the right. You cannot support the right if you do not support the exercise. The two positions are antithetical to each other.
    there is a difference in supporting the right to protest and supporting the actual view or meaning of the protest.

    Protesting the view doesn't mean you are protesting the right.

    Since you have a trouble understanding the concept of what I am saying I will give you an example.

    I am sure you agree with the RIGHT to protest for gay marriage, but you don't agree with the view that gay marriage should happen.

    So you support the right for people to protest for gay marriage, but you don't support the protest for gay marriage.

    See the difference now?

    When you say you support the ACTUAL protest for gay marriage, you are for gay marriage. If you support the RIGHT for people to protest for gay marriage you support for the RIGHT to protest for gay marriage.
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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How dare he go where he was invited.
    How dare he do anything other than resign and slouch his way back to Chicago?

    Ok, I confess....that is what I hope for daily. Big surprise, I know.

    Actually on point, however, is that as much as he advocates aborting babies, even to the point of throwing the ones that survive abortion procedures in the medical waste bin, it may be credibly argued that accepting an honor from an institution which condemns abortion is disingenuous in the extreme.

    A man of integrity with his views on abortion would not accept the invite. Not that Dear Leader was ever confused with a man of integrity.

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    Re: President Obama at Notre Dame protest

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    there is a difference in supporting the right to protest and supporting the actual view or meaning of the protest.

    Protesting the view doesn't mean you are protesting the right.

    Since you have a trouble understanding the concept of what I am saying I will give you an example.

    I am sure you agree with the RIGHT to protest for gay marriage, but you don't agree with the view that gay marriage should happen.

    So you support the right for people to protest for gay marriage, but you don't support the protest for gay marriage.

    See the difference now?
    Yeah. The difference is you're completely wrong about the gay marriage bit. I'd go into the reasons why but that would be a most unwarranted thread hijack. I will invite you to research the comments I have made elsewhere on DP specifically on that topic.

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