Scientists May Have Found How Life Began

akyron · May 16, 2009

Burning Giraffe said:
faith that the Earth is the center of the universe, or that the earth is flat, or that someone can gain magical powers, etc. Any faith in an objective reality can be tested and verified scientifically. It is only those theories and matters of faith that deal with the Metaphysical that cannot be scientifically tested.

How is that Banker payout working?

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Faith in Obama promises would fit as well.

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obvious Child · May 16, 2009

American said:
And that's what it's all about isn't it?

Not really

Science can't explain away everything, but that doesn't matter to you.

Has your job this week been particularly stressful?

All I pointed out is that science and some religious interpretations don't mix.

Triad · May 16, 2009

Be a hoot if during your lifetimes Science proved the Existence of God.

American · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
Be a hoot if during your lifetimes Science proved the Existence of God.

That will never happen.

Luke 10:22": All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

American said:
That will never happen.

You're quoting the Bible to predict the future? :doh

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
Be a hoot if during your lifetimes Science proved the Existence of God.

As an atheist, I would love to see this happen. Maybe then I could wrap my head around the whole God concept.

Triad · May 16, 2009

I don't believe in atheists.

IMO they are just an agnostics who like the catchier word atheist.

danarhea · May 16, 2009

EgoffTib said:
You're quoting the Bible to predict the future? :doh

Actually, that is called prophecy.

The book Daniel has two chapters in it (11 and 12) which some religious "practitioners" take out of context to make the claim that it is talking about the Antichrist. It is actually talking about the wars between Egypt's Ptolemaic Dynasty and the Seleucid Empire, which were 2 of the four kingdoms spun off after the Death of Alexander the Great. These 2 chapters are quite detailed in their descriptions of what happened. Here's the rub. The Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago dated the Book of Daniel at about 500 BC, which is about 400 years before this all happened.

As it turns out, while religion is not scientific, some things that have happened cannot be explained by science at all, and this especially applies to prophecy. When I say "prophecy", I don't mean the nut who claims that Jesus came down and fixed his flat tire because he prayed about it, but by actual predictions by Prophets that were borne out by future events. These cannot be explained away by science.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
I don't believe in atheists.

IMO they are just an agnostics who like the catchier word atheist.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but just because someone says they do not believe in something hardly makes it non-existent.

Theism in the broadest sense is the belief in at least one [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity"]deity[/ame].[1][2] In a more specific sense, theism refers to a particular doctrine concerning the nature of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God"]God[/ame] and his relationship to the universe.[3]

The prefix "a" means "not" or "without". Thus, someone without theistic beliefs is an atheist. Sorry to burst your bubble.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

danarhea said:
Actually, that is called prophecy.

The book Daniel has two chapters in it (11 and 12) which some religious "practitioners" take out of context to make the claim that it is talking about the Antichrist. It is actually talking about the wars between Egypt's Ptolemaic Dynasty and the Seleucid Empire, which were 2 of the four kingdoms spun off after the Death of Alexander the Great. These 2 chapters are quite detailed in their descriptions of what happened. Here's the rub. The Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago dated the Book of Daniel at about 500 BC, which is about 400 years before this all happened.

As it turns out, while religion is not scientific, some things that have happened cannot be explained by science at all, and this especially applies to prophecy. When I say "prophecy", I don't mean the nut who claims that Jesus came down and fixed his flat tire because he prayed about it, but by actual predictions by Prophets that were borne out by future events. These cannot be explained away by science.

American's Bible quote cannot be proven or unproven at this point in time. Also, Luke, as far as I know, was never a prophet. Therefore, it is hardly useful in this discussion.

danarhea · May 16, 2009

EgoffTib said:
American's Bible quote cannot be proven or unproven at this point in time. Also, Luke, as far as I know, was never a prophet. Therefore, it is hardly useful in this discussion.

Not in a scientific discussion, of course. I agree with you on that. Religion and science are mutually exclusive territories. But occasionally, one does trespass a little on the fringes of the other, and those rare interactions can be fascinating.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

danarhea said:
Not in a scientific discussion, of course. I agree with you on that. Religion and science are mutually exclusive territories. But occasionally, one does trespass a little on the fringes of the other, and those rare interactions can be fascinating.

I concur. :thumbs:

danarhea · May 16, 2009

EgoffTib said:
I concur. :thumbs:

I concur too. American used the wrong Bible quote. LOL. :mrgreen:

Triad · May 16, 2009

EgoffTib said:
Well, I hate to break it to you, but just because someone says they do not believe in something hardly makes it non-existent.

Theism in the broadest sense is the belief in at least one deity.[1][2] In a more specific sense, theism refers to a particular doctrine concerning the nature of God and his relationship to the universe.[3]

The prefix "a" means "not" or "without". Thus, someone without theistic beliefs is an atheist. Sorry to burst your bubble.

You bursted nothing.
I do not believe in atheists. They do not exist amongst humans.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

danarhea said:
I concur too. American used the wrong Bible quote. LOL. :mrgreen:

I like this one:

Numbers 24:8 - God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
You bursted nothing.
I do not believe in atheists. They do not exist amongst humans.

Again, you cannot factually support your claim. It will simply remain an opinion.

TheNextEra · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
You bursted nothing.
I do not believe in atheists. They do not exist amongst humans.

That is your opinion, but you might as well say the moon doesn't exist. There are people that do not believe in ANY god or gods, that by it's definition is atheist.

atheist
One entry found.

Main Entry:
athe·ist Listen to the pronunciation of atheist
Pronunciation:
\ˈā-thē-ist\
Function:
noun
Date:
1551

: one who believes that there is no deity

Atheists do exist.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
You bursted nothing.
I do not believe in atheists. They do not exist amongst humans.

Triad, you are an atheist in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Thor, etc... I've just gone one god further. :mrgreen:

Triad · May 16, 2009

Oh and you can prove you don't believe in anything right..no in fact you will inevitably fall into declaring something like science to in effect be your belief system.

IOW you like everyone else believes in Something that in the end you cannot define and is basically based on ..drum roll..faith.

iow not an atheist..an agnostic.

BTW "a deity"??..what makes something a deity.
Can the Sun be a deity?? :2wave:

I don't believe in Atheists.

Kernel Sanders · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
Oh and you can prove you don't believe in anything right..no in fact you will inevitably fall into declaring something like science to in effect be your belief system.

IOW you like everyone else believes in Something that in the end you cannot define and is basically based on ..drum roll..faith.

iow not an atheist..an agnostic.

BTW "a deity"??..what makes something a deity.
Can the Sun be a deity?? :2wave:

I don't believe in Atheists.

I don't believe in anything that I consider to be a deity. I'm an atheist

Triad · May 16, 2009

EgoffTib said:
Triad, you are an atheist in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Krishna, Thor, etc... I've just gone one god further. :mrgreen:

Nope.
I personally believe those may have existed and may still exist. I have nothing to prove one way or the other.

I'm an Agnostic. I'm open to possibility.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
Oh and you can prove you don't believe in anything right..no in fact you will inevitably fall into declaring something like science to in effect be your belief system.

Science =/= theism. Keep trying.

IOW you like everyone else believes in Something that in the end you cannot define and is basically based on ..drum roll..faith.

Atheists can have beliefs... Everyone has beliefs.

iow not an atheist..an agnostic.

Try to stay afloat next time. :sinking:

Triad · May 16, 2009

Kernel Sanders said:
I don't believe in anything that I consider to be a deity. I'm an atheist

No you're not.
You just said what YOU consider to be a deity.
So you consider some things to be divine but just chose not to believe in it.

I do not believe in Atheists and none of you here can or have proven you do not believe in anything.

First Thought · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
No you're not.
You just said what YOU consider to be a deity.
So you consider some things to be divine but just chose not to believe in it.

Well it's obvious you are a troll. We, as a people, have defined what a deity is. Since I do not believe in any deities, I am an atheist. Pretty simple to grasp, yet you are still struggling.

I do not believe in Atheists and none of you here can or have proven you do not believe in anything.

An atheist is not someone who believes in nothing. Everyone has beliefs. For example, I believe that I am a nice person. That hardly disqualifies me from being an atheist.

TheNextEra · May 16, 2009

Triad said:
Oh and you can prove you don't believe in anything right..no in fact you will inevitably fall into declaring something like science to in effect be your belief system.

IOW you like everyone else believes in Something that in the end you cannot define and is basically based on ..drum roll..faith.

iow not an atheist..an agnostic.

BTW "a deity"??..what makes something a deity.
Can the Sun be a deity?? :2wave:

I don't believe in Atheists.

Since you can't look up the definitions, I already showed you atheist, now here is Agnostic and Deity.

Main Entry:
de·i·ty Listen to the pronunciation of deity Listen to the pronunciation of deity
Pronunciation:
\ˈdē-ə-tē, ˈdā-\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural de·i·ties
Etymology:
Middle English deitee, from Anglo-French deité, from Late Latin deitat-, deitas, from Latin deus god; akin to Old English Tīw, god of war, Latin divus god, dies day, Greek dios heavenly, Sanskrit deva heavenly, god
Date:
14th century

1 a: the rank or essential nature of a god : divinity bcapitalized : god 1, supreme being2: a god or goddess <the deities of ancient Greece>3: one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful

Main Entry:
1ag·nos·tic Listen to the pronunciation of 1agnostic
Pronunciation:
\ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date:
1869

1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
— ag·nos·ti·cism Listen to the pronunciation of agnosticism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun

Your definition of agnostic does not fit. Learn to use a dictionary please, you are embarrassing yourself.

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