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Obama Administration to Cheney: Request Denied

P/N said:
Ahhh, another "centrist". Well, WillRockwell now has company. :roll:
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Honestly it doesn't take a centrist to know cheney was far far right. Good riddance.
 
Redress said:
So what we have is a "senior Bush administration official", who could be any one, and is probably biased, saying that there is a problem here. If the files are the subject of a lawsuit, then this could be very legitimate. A "senior Bush administration official" saying otherwise is pretty meaningless without more to back him up.
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Exactamundo! And I wouldn't be surprised if dickie requested these docs on purpose, knowing they could not be released because of that lawsuit.
 
hazlnut said:
Hey, Cheney... It's over Johnny. You served. You stole. You're out. Nah, nah, nah, nah..Hey-hey-hey... Go awa-aay!
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SO you too oppose releasing the documents Cheney requested even though the vaunted Obama has declared them not to have anything backing Cheney?

Or you just approve of one sided witch hunts?
-Mr Kotter

Obama released the documents but Obama couldn't back them up.
... like a song.

Seems a majority of the notable left posters here approves of half info one sided witchhunts.
 
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ADK_Forever said:
Exactamundo! And I wouldn't be surprised if dickie requested these docs on purpose, knowing they could not be released because of that lawsuit.
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Politics is politics. Don't pretend that these guys are Saints. You are dealing with two sides that believe they are right with regard to this issue. You have to assume that the other side is trying to screw you out of your public perception, so that is why the leaking of memos will be one sided for each group that releases them.
 
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This thread is another great example of something I have noticed recently. Once again, I was accused of having made statements that I am pretty sure I have not made, and once again, when I asked where I made these statements that I was accused of, the person making the accusations all of a sudden finds something else to talk about. About 5 times in a week now that it has happened.

I will ask Triad again, politely: where exactly is it that I commented on whether torture brought any results of merit?
 
Fiddytree said:
Politics is politics. Don't pretend that these guys are Saints. You are dealing with two sides that believe they are right with regard to this issue. You have to assume that the other side is trying to screw you out of your public perception, so that is why the leaking of memos will be one sided for each group that releases them.
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Agreed! After seeing how bad the CIA can screw up documenting documents, I'm sure they too are in CYA mode.
 
Redress said:
This thread is another great example of something I have noticed recently. Once again, I was accused of having made statements that I am pretty sure I have not made, and once again, when I asked where I made these statements that I was accused of, the person making the accusations all of a sudden finds something else to talk about. About 5 times in a week now that it has happened.

I will ask Triad again, politely: where exactly is it that I commented on whether torture brought any results of merit?
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The overall tone/mode/opinion/whatnot of your posts on these issues.
I wasn't quoting you 'literally'..if I was I'd
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it.
 
I want to see the documents myself because if they are anything like the bull**** that the Office of Special Plans presented they will end up biting people in the ass. It's one thing for a memo from somebody participating in the illegal act of torture to say "torture is an effective tool" but it's quite another once the claims contained within the memo are actually investigated to test their veracity. They are going to have a tough time actually proving that the information in these memos are factually correct.

It wouldn't be the first time they fudged on things.
 
Triad said:
Ah yes..BUT few sentences on documents released by Obama is all the proof you needed that the acts "brought no results of merit"
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Those where your words, directed at me. The problem is I did not say what you claimed I said, as you now admit. In fact, since I did not say what you claimed, your whole point falls apart. Instead of being inconsistent, as you try and suggest, I am completely consistent.

Triad said:
The overall tone/mode/opinion/whatnot of your posts on these issues.
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You need to go back and read what I have written on this subject before you make that type assumption. I have not made any assumptions to the best of my knowledge, and when not sure of facts, I try and make sure I am clear on that subject(you might try that).
 
Make a mountain out of a molehill.

You might try to quit assuming that I'm trying to attack you and reply to what I said without all the drama.
 
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Triad said:
Make a mountain out of a molehill.
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But politics is all about distinguishing your small differences by creating mountains!:mrgreen:
 
Triad said:
Make a mountain out of a molehill.

You might try to quit assuming that I'm trying to attack you and reply to what I said without all the drama.
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Reply to what you said? You mean like I had been, before you decided to make up a position for me to discredit what I was saying?
 
Well anyway... in good news I think Pelosi just trumped this decision.

Maybe not but there is a decent chance that do to her antics they will now be demanded not simply asked for.
 
May 14, 2009

Cheney Will Appeal CIA Decision on Memos

Former Vice President Dick Cheney will appeal a CIA decision denying his request for the release of memos he's contended are crucial to proving the success of "enhanced interrogation techniques" of detainees.

Cheney's office released a two-sentence statement reacting to the denial, "The Obama Administration has denied Vice President Cheney's request for the declassification of two documents that provide information about the effectiveness of the detainee program. Vice President Cheney is preparing his appeal to this denial."
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Cheney Will Appeal CIA Decision on Memos Row 2, Seat 4 FOXNews.com

Obama's arrogance made a big mess.
 
Don't worry Press Secretary Extraordinaire Gibbs is blaming Bush&Cheney for not being able to release them.

"The CIA is the agency that has jurisdiction over this," Gibbs told reporters aboard Air Force One as President Barack Obama returned from a trip to Arizona and New Mexico. "They made the decision, in all honesty, based on an executive order from the Bush administration, which under the type of request that Vice President Cheney made, precludes these being declassified because they're part of ongoing litigation. The executive order updated in the Bush administration precludes their release."
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While Gibbs is correct that the order exempts the documents from automatic or "mandatory" review while litigation is pending, there is no legal obstacle to the Obama administration declassifying the material either on their own initiative or in response to the litigation. Indeed, that is precisely what happened with the four Office of Legal Counsel memos about the interrogation program that were released back on April 16.
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Gibbs: Bush tied CIA's hands on Cheney request - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Ah damn. :doh
 
So Cheney tied his own hands ..LOL
 
You liberals, lefties and so called centrist moderates all crack me up.

Obama and Co. release just enough information to portray the EIT as being ineffective, illegal and to stoke the flames of passion in their supporters to stay focused on the Bush Admins "failures". (It's an old magicians trick make your audience watch the left hand while the right hand puts the rabbit in the hat!)

The Former VP of the United States of America, and arguably one of the more pro-active and involved VP's, says "Woah, hey buddy, don't just tell a mangled version of events, release the whole story!"

Obama blocks it. And you people just keep oohing and ahhing at his skills. Forget about transparency, that was just a campaign promise. Forget about finding out the whole truth...

Most of you do not CARE what the truth is. If you did, you'd be ticked off Obama is blocking these memo's. To say otherwise is patently dishonest.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
LOL ..wonder why Cheney waited until he was out of power? He could've released these memos last year.
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Why would he have? They were "secret" and no in the Bush administration... hell no one in the country would believe the next President and staff would start releasing half the truth to support political gains for their party and threaten to prosecute lawyers for their opinions. Such dishonesty and incompetence was not anticipated.
 
WillRockwell said:
You really ought to lay off the Kool-Aid....the VAST majority of Americans are against torture under any circumstances,
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Um care to try again?

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds 51% of Americans in favor and 42% opposed to an investigation into the use of harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects during the Bush administration. At the same time, 55% of Americans believe in retrospect that the use of the interrogation techniques was justified, while only 36% say it was not. Notably, a majority of those following the news about this matter "very closely" oppose an investigation and think the methods were justified.

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Slim Majority Wants Bush-Era Interrogations Investigated
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Triad said:
Cheney Will Appeal CIA Decision on Memos Row 2, Seat 4 FOXNews.com

Obama's arrogance made a big mess.
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Bigger than anyone can realize.

Consider:

Since the enhanced interrogation technique memos were released, amid all the bluster and blather from both left and right, only one politician is getting grilled about their involvement, and that's Nancy Pelosi.

The CIA interrogators will not be prosecuted. The Attorney General has prudently declined prosecutions of former DoJ lawyers for preparing legal opinions. There is no large groundswell of public opinion calling for either prosecutions or a questionably-named "truth commission." Despite all the angry rhetoric flying back and forth, no serious charges have yet been laid at the feet of Bush, Cheney, or any who served in their Administration.

I can understand why Dear Leader would deny Cheney's request--this story has no more value to him in the news cycle and it needs to go away. But Cheney refuses to go away--and now, regardless of what the documents Cheney seeks to be release actually say, the news cycle will remain pre-occupied with this story. Worse, the story line shifts away from the interrogation techniques themselves to what politicians knew then, what they know now, and what they did with that knowledge. The story is metamorphosing into one about Pelosi lying and Dear Leader covering up the truth, possibly to protect Pelosi. Whether there was or was not torture really no longer matters.

This "mess" is growing, and so far has hit all the wrong targets.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Don't forget libertarians ;)
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Libertarians can run the gauntlet of the spectrum. If you think there is no problem with how Obama and Co are behaving in this instance... well, you crack me up.
 
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