Obama to block detainee abuse photos

Truth Detector said:

Do you think he has actually done this; stopped the eventual release of these photos? Right now, I believe that this is the NEW revised REALITY advice he is getting and have only heard that they are re-assessing what to do.

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The news reports are that he is moving to block the release.

Will he get trumped by the judge? That I do not know.

Will he choose not to make a huge fight of it? That I do not know.

What I do know is that, according to news reports, he has come down on the side of not releasing the photos. That's the right side and the right conclusion, and regardless of what his position was yesterday, and regardless of what outcomes may come tomorrow, today he doing the right thing.

If the photos come out, then double and triple damnation on any who championed their releas. For now, he's not doing that. That's a good thing.

AFAIK the photos are simply more of those taken by the dips already busted for their actions in Abu Ghaib that where not released before.

celticlord said:

If the photos come out, then double and triple damnation on any who championed their releas. For now, he's not doing that. That's a good thing.

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Just release the photos imo.
I doubt they are worse than what has already been released.

It can't be kept hidden forever

aps said:

Even when you compliment something Obama does, you do it in an unclassy way. You're pathetic.

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I dont think it was a compliment...rather he was pointing out the double standard and noting Obama=Bush. Merely a supposition.

The photos will get out regardless of what they want.
Probably not a good thing for the sheep to smell blood.

Truth Detector said:

After all, anyone with even 1/2 a brain has to ask themselves; what is the purpose to be gained by making these photos public? What possible purpose is there to making the legal justifications for "enhanced interrogation" methods?

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It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name. It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it. I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.

It is only unclear to those who continue to lie, distort the facts or wallow in willful denial.

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Press 4....

Lerxst said:

It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name. It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it. I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.

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Yeah, the government needs to not be ugly....:roll:

(if the Anti-Republicans are so anti-ugly, how do you explain Pelosi and Harman?)

Then we should show the full videos of the be-headings and murders of people by al Qaeda on national TV.
The Left needs a big dose of reality..even if it makes them sick.


Oh but that would undermine al Qaeda. Wouldn't want to do that. How would the "world" feel about..oh my..:roll:

Lerxst said:

It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name.

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REALLY? So Americans are clamoring to be forced to face what their Government has done in their name? These photos are REALLY illustrative of our Government and what they are doing in OUR name?

What a patently asinine assertion regarding photos of acts that were in obvious violation of the rules of engagement and resulted in the prosecution of the troops who violated these rules.

Lerxst said:

It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it.

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The only UGLY thing to be seen here is the UGLY political partisanship of Liberals how are wallowing so deep in their misplaced rage at Bush that they are willing to put MORE of our men and women at greater risk fighting a war the politicians sent them to fight for purely partisan political purposes.

Why am I not surprised at this level of immaturity from the likes of people who think like you do?

Lerxst said:

I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.

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By all means; let's put our troops at greater risk using this lie and distortion as somehow a "needed" fix. Yet, such asinine immature notions about the REAL world are hardly shared by the vast majority of Americans who, LIKE the Obama Administration, thinks this is a bad idea and merely more of the pathetically hyper partisan politics that a radical element of Liberal Democrats whish to engage in using the false idea that this somehow promotes their issues and cause.

Yeah Lerxst, what a great idea; I would like nothing more than to see the Democrats dig an even deeper hole by voluntarily releasing more of these pictures; unfortunately, I also care about what happens to our troops when they are sent to fight the wars politicians send them to fight and then put them at greater risk engaging in childish immature behavior for purely political purposes.

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I commend Obama for this move.

bhkad said:

I commend Obama for this move.

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Its a tad early for commendations; he's done nothing YET. Let's see some proof before we go patting him on the back.

Truth Detector said:

REALLY? So Americans are clamoring to be forced to face what their Government has done in their name? These photos are REALLY illustrative of our Government and what they are doing in OUR name?

What a patently asinine assertion regarding photos of acts that were in obvious violation of the rules of engagement and resulted in the prosecution of the troops who violated these rules.

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Not all those responsible were prosecuted. Those troops did carry out abuse, but they were also scapegoated by their chain of command. Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld, Gen. Sanchez, and Gen. Karpinski all knew what was going on. The treatment was authorized and encouraged. This wasn't just about a few rogue troops, this was about our policy at the time. (Regarding Abu Ghraib). If there are photos from other incidents bring them out.

The only UGLY thing to be seen here is the UGLY political partisanship of Liberals how are wallowing so deep in their misplaced rage at Bush that they are willing to put MORE of our men and women at greater risk fighting a war the politicians sent them to fight for purely partisan political purposes.

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No, that is only your slanted opinion. These photos will not put our troops at any more risk than they already are. Do you really think the Muslims have already forgotten what happened over there? Do you think they are going to see these photos and then go "wow, now we are really going to kill the Americans even deader!" Coming completely clean about our transgressions promotes the appearance of contrition, a willingness to own up to what our government did and say "we know it was wrong, we are dealing with it, and we won't go down this road again."

I want the public to see these things so they can get a better grasp on what our government authorized and encouraged our military and intelligence agencies to do. I want them to be so outraged that it becomes a very real and determinate issue when they are considering who to elect to office next time. I want them to say "God that was awful, did Senator So and So support torture? If so I'm not voting for him." I want it to cause such an uproar that our elected officials go over and above to block it's use. This is one way to catalyze that kind of movement.

Why am I not surprised at this level of immaturity from the likes of people who think like you do?

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Because you have trouble functioning amongst real people I guess. Maybe it's psychological with you?

By all means; let's put our troops at greater risk using this lie and distortion as somehow a "needed" fix.

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What lie? What distortion? What is the "greater risk" exactly? Can you describe it? Can you quantify it? I'm sure you've thought this through and there is some way to actually articulate what the risk will be. Please, have at it.

Yet, such asinine immature notions about the REAL world are hardly shared by the vast majority of Americans who, LIKE the Obama Administration, thinks this is a bad idea and merely more of the pathetically hyper partisan politics that a radical element of Liberal Democrats whish to engage in using the false idea that this somehow promotes their issues and cause.

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Wow, quite a claim. Can you quantify what this "vast majority of American's" you speak of actually amounts to? Or is this more of your hollow rhetoric? And what is your fascination with the word "asinine?" Seriously, it's almost comical. Almost.

Yeah Lerxst, what a great idea; I would like nothing more than to see the Democrats dig an even deeper hole by voluntarily releasing more of these pictures; unfortunately, I also care about what happens to our troops when they are sent to fight the wars politicians send them to fight and then put them at greater risk engaging in childish immature behavior for purely political purposes.

:roll:

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Please explain why you believe it's childish and immature behavior. Also, please articulate the increased risk this will put our troops at. I hear this on the T.V., I see it hear...put some actual meat to this argument.

I'll wait.

Knowing that the photos exist is good enough for me, and as long as Obama doesn't prevent them from being used in some kind of official investigation, then I don't care if the public is denied access.

The public will take one look at the photos and there would be an immediate outrage. That kind of publicity won't help to form a balanced judgment of what happened in Gitmo. I want to see proper inquiries that don't involve the forum of public opinion.

Furthermore, it will alienate alies in the Middle East.

Catman said:

Is questioning the motive of the pResident now called anti-American? Were the people that questioned Bush also anti-American?

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I gotta tell ya...I hated it when the left did that to Bush, and I still don't like it. I didn't vote for Obama, but he's still the President of the United States, and as such, he deserves some modicum of respect.

Triad said:

Then we should show the full videos of the be-headings and murders of people by al Qaeda on national TV.
The Left needs a big dose of reality..even if it makes them sick.

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I think "the left" has seen quite a dose of ugly reality over the past eight years, while the Bush apologists have been living in fairy land.

Orius said:

Knowing that the photos exist is good enough for me, and as long as Obama doesn't prevent them from being used in some kind of official investigation, then I don't care if the public is denied access.

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I would like to see them released but I respect your opinion on this.

The public will take one look at the photos and there would be an immediate outrage.

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That's what I hope for. God forbid they would come out and the public be okay with it all.

That kind of publicity won't help to form a balanced judgment of what happened in Gitmo.

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Do you think the public opinion is really going to impact the investigators findings?

I want to see proper inquiries that don't involve the forum of public opinion.

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Proper inquiries won't involve the forum of public opinion. They will involved witnesses and evidence.

Furthermore, it will alienate alies in the Middle East.

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Not anymore than they already are in my opinion.

Triad said:

Then we should show the full videos of the be-headings and murders of people by al Qaeda on national TV.
The Left needs a big dose of reality..even if it makes them sick.


Oh but that would undermine al Qaeda. Wouldn't want to do that. How would the "world" feel about..oh my..:roll:

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Amen to this!

The president's decision is the right one, even though it detracts from the movement to bring the torture planners to justice. He realizes this cleansing must be done dispassionately and with respect for the judicial process. Releasing the pictures would bring out the angry mobs with pitchforks and torches, but that would not be honorable, and it is not necessary. What IS necessary is that those who commanded torture and those who rewrote the law to excuse it be brought to justice. This was a violation of the oath of office, it damaged the Constitution, as well as America's reputation. History demands an accounting.

Lerxst said:

That's what I hope for. God forbid they would come out and the public be okay with it all.

Do you think the public opinion is really going to impact the investigators findings?

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That's not the point. We know abuses happened... why does it need to be sensationalized with the release of photos? I think Obama's "security" justification is not enough. That's always the word the authority uses when they simply don't want to do something. There are other reasons.

Lerxst said:

Proper inquiries won't involve the forum of public opinion. They will involved witnesses and evidence.

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Unless it's an independent pannel, every member of the inquiry will be an elected official who is answerable to his/her constituents. If there is a media storm over photos, you can bet those members' objectivity will be a little be on the way side.

Lerxst said:

Not anymore than they already are in my opinion.

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So let's make it worse by releasing photos that damage relations? That's just what America's allies need to see... photos of their citizens being held indefinitely and being subjected to harsh and humiliating interrogation techniques, broadcasted on American television for everyone's entertainment. How classless.

If Obama is really trying to repair world relations, then releasing those photos will set his campaign back.

Truth Detector said:

Its a tad early for commendations; he's done nothing YET. Let's see some proof before we go patting him on the back.

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Sometimes not doing anything is the best move. Unfortunately Obama has made plenty of moves so far.

WillRockwell said:

What IS necessary is that those who commanded torture and those who rewrote the law to excuse it be brought to justice. This was a violation of the oath of office, it damaged the Constitution, as well as America's reputation. History demands an accounting.

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HISTORY????????

History doesn't demand a damn thing from anybody. It's over, done with, past tense.

That's why it's called history.

The foolishness of the Madame Defarge's of the Anti-Republicans knows no limits.

Dare one hope that at long last Obama is beginning to learn the art of pragmatism?

Triad said:

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This may be one in a million post but when the dip pulls his head out of his ass...even if for only a brief spate of fresh air . I can agree with him.


Other then serving as the Far Lefts porn the release of such things while at war only aids the enemy.

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Bitch move by Obama.

Triad said:

POLITICO 44: Whiteboard Archives


This may be one in a million post but when the dip pulls his head out of his ass...even if for only a brief spate of fresh air . I can agree with him.


Other then serving as the Far Lefts porn the release of such things while at war only aids the enemy.

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OBAMA TRIAL BALLOON FAIL.

Even though photos have not been released, damage has been done by the insinuation misdeeds took place, by floating the balloon about photo's, and then retracting them as they would harm the nation if they were released.

This Obama Administration... Idiotsville... 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue... is one big wrecking crew.

While he is remaking the country in his image... he should reconsider renaming the White House too.
The following is apropos for the ObaMarx Administration:


The new Amerikan Limo is parked out front.

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Lerxst said:

It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name. It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it. I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.


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Press 4....

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This is the reason Democrats should be kept far away from power.
They don't have the stomach to do the things necessary to secure freedom and they constantly seek to undermine our national security... Just look at their record since The Church Hearings.

When a 911 happens they do a CYA Rally... before turning on the nation again.

They even are so gutless as to use war votes to secure political power.
That is the absolute worst action a member can take. Vote to authorize force when they don't believe in it at all.

And then turn on the troops... en masse... minus Lieberman.

There aren't words to describe you folks.
It goes light years beyond disgusting.

You Lerxst, would have been a beautiful addition to the press corps during The Normandy Invasion.

Probably would have sought to have our men incarcerated for not taking prisoners after successfully storming the beaches.

There is still time for you kooks to go back and dredge that up.
There are still heroes out there who secured freedom you can **** on.

Why not?
If you want to cleanse the nation by revealing how brutal war is... why not go back as far as possible with the living warriors; start with those from WWII?

What stopped you and what is stopping you?

What has taken you Truth Out kooks so long?
If you seek to "stop it".

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Found this really good article by S.E. Cupps where she brings up some really likely possible outcomes if this is Obama just setting himself up to react to the release of the photos occurring anyway.

The first one being a real likelihood and consistent with how Obama operates So I'll post it..

One, it’s possible that his reversal is purely symbolic. If it turns out that the previous commitment to release the images is irreversible, regardless of Obama’s new objection to it, it will be clear that the president’s statement is merely face-saving rhetoric, designed to brace against pointed criticism from the right when the Justice Department follows through with their plans. The photos will be released, everyone in the country besides the ACLU and MoveOn.org will be outraged, and the president will insist, “I told them not to do it.” Right…just after you told them they should.

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Rest of the article-- S.E. CUPP: Obama Blinks on Prison Photos — Courage or Subterfuge? FOX Forum FOXNews.com