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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name. It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it. I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.
    Yeah, the government needs to not be ugly....

    (if the Anti-Republicans are so anti-ugly, how do you explain Pelosi and Harman?)

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Then we should show the full videos of the be-headings and murders of people by al Qaeda on national TV.
    The Left needs a big dose of reality..even if it makes them sick.


    Oh but that would undermine al Qaeda. Wouldn't want to do that. How would the "world" feel about..oh my..

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's about forcing Americans to come face to face with what their government does in their name.
    REALLY? So Americans are clamoring to be forced to face what their Government has done in their name? These photos are REALLY illustrative of our Government and what they are doing in OUR name?

    What a patently asinine assertion regarding photos of acts that were in obvious violation of the rules of engagement and resulted in the prosecution of the troops who violated these rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's about seeing just how ugly it really is so that people will demand we stop it.
    The only UGLY thing to be seen here is the UGLY political partisanship of Liberals how are wallowing so deep in their misplaced rage at Bush that they are willing to put MORE of our men and women at greater risk fighting a war the politicians sent them to fight for purely partisan political purposes.

    Why am I not surprised at this level of immaturity from the likes of people who think like you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't agree with Obama blocking the photos. We need to take the ill tasting medicine.
    By all means; let's put our troops at greater risk using this lie and distortion as somehow a "needed" fix. Yet, such asinine immature notions about the REAL world are hardly shared by the vast majority of Americans who, LIKE the Obama Administration, thinks this is a bad idea and merely more of the pathetically hyper partisan politics that a radical element of Liberal Democrats whish to engage in using the false idea that this somehow promotes their issues and cause.

    Yeah Lerxst, what a great idea; I would like nothing more than to see the Democrats dig an even deeper hole by voluntarily releasing more of these pictures; unfortunately, I also care about what happens to our troops when they are sent to fight the wars politicians send them to fight and then put them at greater risk engaging in childish immature behavior for purely political purposes.


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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    I commend Obama for this move.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I commend Obama for this move.
    Its a tad early for commendations; he's done nothing YET. Let's see some proof before we go patting him on the back.

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    REALLY? So Americans are clamoring to be forced to face what their Government has done in their name? These photos are REALLY illustrative of our Government and what they are doing in OUR name?

    What a patently asinine assertion regarding photos of acts that were in obvious violation of the rules of engagement and resulted in the prosecution of the troops who violated these rules.
    Not all those responsible were prosecuted. Those troops did carry out abuse, but they were also scapegoated by their chain of command. Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld, Gen. Sanchez, and Gen. Karpinski all knew what was going on. The treatment was authorized and encouraged. This wasn't just about a few rogue troops, this was about our policy at the time. (Regarding Abu Ghraib). If there are photos from other incidents bring them out.

    The only UGLY thing to be seen here is the UGLY political partisanship of Liberals how are wallowing so deep in their misplaced rage at Bush that they are willing to put MORE of our men and women at greater risk fighting a war the politicians sent them to fight for purely partisan political purposes.
    No, that is only your slanted opinion. These photos will not put our troops at any more risk than they already are. Do you really think the Muslims have already forgotten what happened over there? Do you think they are going to see these photos and then go "wow, now we are really going to kill the Americans even deader!" Coming completely clean about our transgressions promotes the appearance of contrition, a willingness to own up to what our government did and say "we know it was wrong, we are dealing with it, and we won't go down this road again."

    I want the public to see these things so they can get a better grasp on what our government authorized and encouraged our military and intelligence agencies to do. I want them to be so outraged that it becomes a very real and determinate issue when they are considering who to elect to office next time. I want them to say "God that was awful, did Senator So and So support torture? If so I'm not voting for him." I want it to cause such an uproar that our elected officials go over and above to block it's use. This is one way to catalyze that kind of movement.

    Why am I not surprised at this level of immaturity from the likes of people who think like you do?
    Because you have trouble functioning amongst real people I guess. Maybe it's psychological with you?

    By all means; let's put our troops at greater risk using this lie and distortion as somehow a "needed" fix.
    What lie? What distortion? What is the "greater risk" exactly? Can you describe it? Can you quantify it? I'm sure you've thought this through and there is some way to actually articulate what the risk will be. Please, have at it.
    Yet, such asinine immature notions about the REAL world are hardly shared by the vast majority of Americans who, LIKE the Obama Administration, thinks this is a bad idea and merely more of the pathetically hyper partisan politics that a radical element of Liberal Democrats whish to engage in using the false idea that this somehow promotes their issues and cause.
    Wow, quite a claim. Can you quantify what this "vast majority of American's" you speak of actually amounts to? Or is this more of your hollow rhetoric? And what is your fascination with the word "asinine?" Seriously, it's almost comical. Almost.

    Yeah Lerxst, what a great idea; I would like nothing more than to see the Democrats dig an even deeper hole by voluntarily releasing more of these pictures; unfortunately, I also care about what happens to our troops when they are sent to fight the wars politicians send them to fight and then put them at greater risk engaging in childish immature behavior for purely political purposes.

    Please explain why you believe it's childish and immature behavior. Also, please articulate the increased risk this will put our troops at. I hear this on the T.V., I see it hear...put some actual meat to this argument.

    I'll wait.
    Last edited by Lerxst; 05-13-09 at 11:14 PM.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Knowing that the photos exist is good enough for me, and as long as Obama doesn't prevent them from being used in some kind of official investigation, then I don't care if the public is denied access.

    The public will take one look at the photos and there would be an immediate outrage. That kind of publicity won't help to form a balanced judgment of what happened in Gitmo. I want to see proper inquiries that don't involve the forum of public opinion.

    Furthermore, it will alienate alies in the Middle East.

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    Is questioning the motive of the pResident now called anti-American? Were the people that questioned Bush also anti-American?
    I gotta tell ya...I hated it when the left did that to Bush, and I still don't like it. I didn't vote for Obama, but he's still the President of the United States, and as such, he deserves some modicum of respect.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Then we should show the full videos of the be-headings and murders of people by al Qaeda on national TV.
    The Left needs a big dose of reality..even if it makes them sick.

    :
    I think "the left" has seen quite a dose of ugly reality over the past eight years, while the Bush apologists have been living in fairy land.

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    Re: Obama to block detainee abuse photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Knowing that the photos exist is good enough for me, and as long as Obama doesn't prevent them from being used in some kind of official investigation, then I don't care if the public is denied access.
    I would like to see them released but I respect your opinion on this.

    The public will take one look at the photos and there would be an immediate outrage.
    That's what I hope for. God forbid they would come out and the public be okay with it all.
    That kind of publicity won't help to form a balanced judgment of what happened in Gitmo.
    Do you think the public opinion is really going to impact the investigators findings?
    I want to see proper inquiries that don't involve the forum of public opinion.
    Proper inquiries won't involve the forum of public opinion. They will involved witnesses and evidence.
    Furthermore, it will alienate alies in the Middle East.
    Not anymore than they already are in my opinion.
    *insert profound statement here*

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