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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Which of the above would be legal/illegal if you decided the rules in a capatilistic market? Why?

    Paying distribution companies and retailers money so they delay the release of a competitors product.

    Paying a company money to not sell a competitors product.

    Paying a supplier money to inflate the price or deny components to a competitor.

    Collaborating with a competitor to fix prices.

    Lowering prices below profitable levels to force less sustainable competitors out of the market.
    Thanks for adding some substance to this thread.

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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Did anyone besides Scourge and Harry actually read the article?

    Clearly, Mr. V did not.

    The Commission found that between 2002 and 2007, Intel had paid manufacturers and a retailer to favour its chips over those of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD).
    That is by definition a kickback.

    I pay you money so you buy my products. And you go to jail for that in the US and/or pay hefty fines.

    The fine may be a bit high, but I see no reason to complain about the EU's actions over a clearly illegal and anti-competitive action by Intel.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What's wrong with that?

    Blame the OEM, not Intel.
    So we shouldn't blame the company offering the kickback but blame the companies who take it?

    That's like letting Capone off the hook for ordering the hit and only going after the hitmen.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Intel Monopoly
    Intel Playing Monopoly? - Industry News - Overclockers Club

    Basically rulings like this are merely going to raise the price of computers for the rest of us.

    GG.
    How? How is leveling the playing field to allow a competitor to actually compete going to raise prices?

    What Intel has been doing is illegal shoving AMD out of the market place and then raising prices. Explain to me how decreasing competition causes prices to fall.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Also, the fines are not actually high at all. The problem with fining a corporation is that unless the fine hurts their bottom line, they have no incentive to change their behavior. If you can make 10 million breaking the law and only get fined 1 million, what is the incentive to follow the law? Fines either need to high enough to punish those who break the law, or your need to start revoking corporate charters and throwing people in jail. You cannot deter someone from a crime if they can ignore the punishment.

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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Although at times I do think that if AMD is the better of the two then they will eventually prevail.

    I like AMD because you get similar power without the Intel cost.
    Pretty much. AMD offers for I'd venture 90% of people the raw processing power they need but at half the cost if not more. I don't know anyone who actually uses the full extent of a 775 pin Quad Core. But they pay for it though the nose when they could have gotten a Quad Core from AMD or even a Triple Core for much, much, much less. I have Intel stock, but AMD is a much better value for most users. Not for those running Crysis at 70 FPS, but most folks.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Pretty much. AMD offers for I'd venture 90% of people the raw processing power they need but at half the cost if not more. I don't know anyone who actually uses the full extent of a 775 pin Quad Core. But they pay for it though the nose when they could have gotten a Quad Core from AMD or even a Triple Core for much, much, much less. I have Intel stock, but AMD is a much better value for most users. Not for those running Crysis at 70 FPS, but most folks.
    I'm going to run a phenom quad core as soon as I get the money to put it together.

    I've usually end up running my pc's to the max pretty regularly. Lots of graphic games etc.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Pretty much. AMD offers for I'd venture 90% of people the raw processing power they need but at half the cost if not more. I don't know anyone who actually uses the full extent of a 775 pin Quad Core. But they pay for it though the nose when they could have gotten a Quad Core from AMD or even a Triple Core for much, much, much less. I have Intel stock, but AMD is a much better value for most users. Not for those running Crysis at 70 FPS, but most folks.
    AMD was behind, very far behind Intel technology wise for a very long while.. ever since the Core 2 Duo came out really. This performance difference Intel wisely used in its advertising and promotion, and was perfectly legal. The only thing AMD had going for it self was price and for a long while AMD was 15 to 30% cheaper (at least here). However since Intel launched its 7xxx series that price gap has come down considerably. It was one of the reasons I went with Intel over AMD at my last purchase. But the most important thing was power consumption and heat from the chip. My new Intel chip's price difference was made up quite fast in the lower power consumption plus I wont have to worry as much as I did over the heat the chip gives off during the hot summer months. Plus to get the same preformance from my new dual core chip in an AMD, then I would have to buy a quad core and then the price would be equal... so..

    But saying that, I truly believe that if AMD can continue with its policy of making newer chips work in older chip sets and other facets of its business model, that it will slowly take more and more business away from Intel, because it is a very sound model that people understand when they figure it out. Actually took me quite a while to understand the whole AM2 and AM2+ system and now the AM3 stuff. They should really plaster this all over the freaking place and slap Intel in the face with it... because it is a brilliant system.

    Like it or not Intel's business model regarding backwards compatibility is non existent when they go to a new platform and that is frankly from a consumers view point a brain dead idea. The only thing that has been in Intel's favour on this front is the fact they have changed platforms less than AMD for now.

    When the time comes again to get new hardware in a few years, then I will again be torn between the 2 and probably again take months to decide a simple 10 min purchase

    But that still does not mean that Intel should be allowed to get away with their unfair business practices. And it aint the EU only going after them.. Japan, South Korea and even the good old USA are after them for exactly the same thing.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    The EU press release is worth reading in this case. In particular one part jumped out at me

    Source [Europa.eu | Antitrust: Commission imposes fine of €1.06 bn on Intel for abuse of dominant position; orders Intel to cease illegal practices]

    For example, rival chip manufacturer AMD offered one million free CPUs to one particular computer manufacturer. If the computer manufacturer had accepted all of these, it would have lost Intel's rebate on its many millions of remaining CPU purchases, and would have been worse off overall simply for having accepted this highly competitive offer. In the end, the computer manufacturer took only 160,000 CPUs for free.

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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    It's nice to see corporations being held responsible and hit hard when they break the law. I'm tired of seeing them get a slap on the wrist in other parts of the world, or getting handouts when their businesses start to tank.

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