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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Which of the above would be legal/illegal if you decided the rules in a capatilistic market? Why?

    Paying distribution companies and retailers money so they delay the release of a competitors product.

    Paying a company money to not sell a competitors product.

    Paying a supplier money to inflate the price or deny components to a competitor.

    Collaborating with a competitor to fix prices.

    Lowering prices below profitable levels to force less sustainable competitors out of the market.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'm curious to know if you know anything about the case. I've followed it lightly for a few years now Intel clearly abused their market position, and through the course of various investigations (in Germany, Japan, New York, Delaware, and the US at large to name a few other than the EU) has been caught destroying evidence more than once. I'd expect almost every case against Intel to succeed eventually, the EU is just the first to reach a decision.
    I've followed it enough to disagree with your assessment.

    Intel used it's superior product and market position to gain a larger share of the market through discounts to both consumers and computer manufacturers. I.E. our prices went down.

    AMD's products failed to meet the challenge and they lost...

    I fail to see what they did that was actually illegal. Unfair by success? Yes, illegal... no I think not.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've followed it enough to disagree with your assessment.

    Intel used it's superior product and market position to gain a larger share of the market through discounts to both consumers and computer manufacturers. I.E. our prices went down.

    AMD's products failed to meet the challenge and they lost...

    I fail to see what they did that was actually illegal. Unfair by success? Yes, illegal... no I think not.
    Vich they were paying suppliers to not use AMD products.

    Very anti competitive.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Intel Monopoly
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    Basically rulings like this are merely going to raise the price of computers for the rest of us.

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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Intel Monopoly
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    Basically rulings like this are merely going to raise the price of computers for the rest of us.

    GG.
    I think a basic order of cease and desist would have worked.
    With a threat of fines and penalties to back it up.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Vich they were paying suppliers to not use AMD products.

    Very anti competitive.
    ...

    And...

    Suppliers could chose not to take the money. You only have 2 choices, AMD and Intel. Intel had the better products.

    Sorry, but I look at the computing world from a different perspective, same reason I disliked the hit on MS from the EU (even though I am not a fan of MS)

    If Intel starts making crap chips the computer world will turn on them. That's that.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    ...

    And...

    Suppliers could chose not to take the money. You only have 2 choices, AMD and Intel. Intel had the better products.

    Sorry, but I look at the computing world from a different perspective, same reason I disliked the hit on MS from the EU (even though I am not a fan of MS)

    If Intel starts making crap chips the computer world will turn on them. That's that.
    At this time I haven't formulated stuff like this into my philosophy.

    Although at times I do think that if AMD is the better of the two then they will eventually prevail.

    I like AMD because you get similar power without the Intel cost.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Which of the above would be legal/illegal if you decided the rules in a capatilistic market? Why?

    Paying distribution companies and retailers money so they delay the release of a competitors product.
    That I think is dirty pool.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Paying a company money to not sell a competitors product.
    In the world of computers.. not a problem at all with this.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Paying a supplier money to inflate the price or deny components to a competitor.
    That's dirty.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Collaborating with a competitor to fix prices.
    dirty

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Lowering prices below profitable levels to force less sustainable competitors out of the market.
    No problem at all with this.

    Why? you ask? If that same company then over prices, or produces crap products... competitors with better products WILL arise.

    See the 1970's and the US Automobile industry.
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've followed it enough to disagree with your assessment.

    Intel used it's superior product and market position to gain a larger share of the market through discounts to both consumers and computer manufacturers. I.E. our prices went down.

    AMD's products failed to meet the challenge and they lost...

    I fail to see what they did that was actually illegal. Unfair by success? Yes, illegal... no I think not.
    The antitrust suit is not about pricing - it's about many deals that Intel made with OEM's that run the spectrum from deals that sound like straight up exclusivity contracts to deals that were clearly illegal. My first reaction to the case when I heard about it several years ago was just what yours was - AMD's position is their own damned fault and processor prices are right in line with what manufacturing technology allows. That's not the focus of the suit, though. As the suits dragged on it came to light that Intel took such actions as threatening OEM's with decreased or delayed shipments unless their lineups heavily favored Intel products, and playing one OEM or retailer off another, threatening their business unless they gave unfavorable treatment to AMD. All of this was only possible due to Intel's dominant market position - you can't effectively run an OEM or a computer outlet without stocking Intel, and Intel will only deal with you if you smack AMD.

    P.S. - My first post came off more condescending than I had wanted. It's an insanely boring case that I only know about because of the tech blogs I visit. I don't assume a more politically minded person would have any real knowledge of the charges. No offense intended
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    Re: EU slaps a record fine on Intel

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, it played the market and pushed it's superior product aggressively. I knew that the idea of competition was becoming alien to Europeans, but this really highlights why the EU is falling further down in competitiveness. If you don't give your competitors the advantage, you're screwed.

    No wonder Eurasia is your future, you guys gave up and are complacent.
    Europe is hopeless. Please dont listen to Pro-EU debaters, because unless there euroskeptic, there insane. Why? Because by advocating the union, they advocate a dismantled Europe for a super state with no national identity or heart, no culture, PC policies that destroy the justice system and hurt our freedom of speech, eat away at our civil liberties, immigrants that destroy our society and fuel the already falling social decline of our nations, take the soviereign away from countries and its people, and squabble about pathetic issues and policies between member states while the real issue at hand is quickly slipping away or has become much worse. They refuse to give any real contribution to your efforts to protect the world from terrorists in the ME (This does not include Britain or Turkey) and bear im mind NATO was divised for our security.

    Europe has no future, it is politically flawed, divisions burden any real cooperation between member states and there is no hope for it or its members.
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