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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    That's what the Supreme Court ruled? I could have sworn they said otherwise.
    THEY were referring to the DETAINEE ACT in regards to and pertaining therein.

    Which is something all you lefties keep IGNORING.
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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeTh!nk3r View Post
    That's what the Supreme Court ruled? I could have sworn they said otherwise.
    I'm sure you could have.
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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That was a specific question of procedure that was ruled in a split decision on certain rights under certain circumstances from which you are implying a much larger role.

    to take your logic, all people across the global are to be afford by the US Government the rights afforded to US Citizens. Does this mean we can no longer go to war? But instead have to send in the cops to arrest other countries soldiers?


    Seriously, think about what you are trying to say here.
    I'm not trying to say anything except pointing out that your generalized statement is not true when said in the manner in which you said it. *shrugs shoulders*

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'm not trying to say anything except pointing out that your generalized statement is not true when said in the manner in which you said it. *shrugs shoulders*
    They were reffering to the specific act which was used as authorization for the actions taken...
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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    I don't care what the Geneva Convention says. We shouldn't be torturing. Waterboarding is torture no matter how much some on here and in government want to church it up.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Rice adviser wrote memo alleging tactics violated ban on cruel punishment.



    From: Ex-Bush official to testify on waterboarding - Security- msnbc.com
    There's a video interview of Zelikow.

    Just another notch in the belt for Bush and Cheney's corrupt and lying administration.
    Here's some accountibility for ya'll.

    Here we have yet another ex-Bush aide coming clean on what really happened during those 8 years in which torture was shoved down the American people's throats as... uhh... legal.

    Should be interesting how the right wingers try to minimize this guy since I don't think he has a book coming out.

    Once again when Bush Administration member says anything you want to hear you believe it immediately without thought.
    Yet when anything or anyone from the Bush Administration says opposite you decry it as a lie without thought.

    IMO that is the most telling thing everyone can take form this thread.



    anyway...his opinion was overruled.
    In a way this akin to saying the burger flipper kid at the local McDonalds disagreed with the CEO of McDonalds...and?
    Last edited by Triad; 05-13-09 at 05:26 PM.

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Once again when Bush Administration member says anything you want to hear you believe it immediately without thought.
    Yet when anything or anyone from the Bush Administration says opposite you decry it as a lie without thought.

    IMO that is the most telling thing everyone can take form this thread.
    Well why don't you post some kind of evidence that counters Zelikow's testimony? What he is saying is consistent with information coming from other sources. There isn't a box of evidence that contradicts this man. That is what is so telling. Had Zelikow been been trying to say something absurd, like "waterboarding isn't torture, and it's extremely effective, we have saved hundreds of thousands of lives by doing it to detainees" then we would be saying, "yeah okay, prove it because many, many experts refute that theory...we'll need to see some evidence."

    anyway...his opinion was overruled.
    In a way this akin to saying the burger flipper kid at the local McDonalds disagreed with the CEO of McDonalds...and?
    No, it' nothing like that.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Why don't you post some kind of evidence making his opinion as a staffer more important then those he worked for decision.

    What he is saying is consistent with information coming from other sources.
    ...and inconsistent with information coming form other sources.

    There isn't a box of evidence that contradicts this man.
    There is plenty of opinions opposite his opinion and there is already evidence in released documents that contradicts him.
    Examples have been posted on this forum for the past week or so.



    It comes down to this-

    A Bush Administration person suddenly becomes the font of truth when he says what you want to hear. Yet everyone else who worked alongside him who does not say what you want to hear is still a liar.

    That does not undermine the mans opinions(that is done by what information is known)...it does though undermine your use of the mans opinion.

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Its not like the guy is new news. He's been around for a while in this role and gained popularity amongst the 'lets lose wars' crowd mainly do to Woodwards portrayal of him as one of the people who disagreed with the overall decisions in regards to Iraq

    That he showed up at a Democrat led "hearing" whose intent is to use partial information to defame political opponents is about as surprising as the Democrats calling Al Gore when they blab about Global Warming.
    IOW he's there because he says what they want to hear/be heard and they believe he can be used by them to form perceptions in others.

    Like numerous other former non decision making administration employees in every WH who didn't agree with a decision made he's using the opportunity to out his angst.

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    Re: Ex-Bush Official Set To Testify On Waterboarding

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They were not tortured, waterboarding is not inflicting severe anything, and has no lasting mental problems. So you fail... right then and there. Torture is inflicting pain and anguish simply because you can. On that score alone, waterboarding three terrorist fails to meet that standard.

    However, the obvious next question is, for you, we capture another KSM, and we treat him "oh so nicely" and say.. a big attack goes off, like the one that was prevented by waterboarding and finding out in time....

    Let's jsut say that happens, can the survivors and families sue because we had the man with information and did not prevent the attack?

    Who has more rights? The living US Citizen to live free from death and anguish from terror attacks, or the terrorist bent on committing said acts?


    Sounds like plenty of you here are willing to let others die to protect terrorist feelings.
    All the democrats care about is preserving the rights of murders, and not their fellow countrymen.
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