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    US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    U.S. ponders aid for displaced Pakistanis
    The Obama administration is considering additional aid to Pakistan to help hundreds of thousands of its citizens displaced by heavy fighting in the Swat Valley, the top U.S. envoy for the region said Tuesday.

    Richard C. Holbrooke, special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the administration has not decided on the amount and type of assistance.

    Still, he promised the committee chairman, Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, to share his recommendations for a budget supplemental.

    "We are looking at how to act on that," Mr. Holbrooke said when Mr. Kerry called on the administration to help Pakistanis in need of humanitarian assistance.

    Mr. Kerry suggested aid during a time of crisis could improve attitudes toward the United States.

    "I don't know if it'll be a supplemental or something, but I think the administration ought to come up here and seize this opportunity," Mr. Kerry said.
    So, Mr. Kerry, where's the government going to get the money, a tax on ketchup-queen widow billionaire gigolos?

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, Mr. Kerry, where's the government going to get the money, a tax on ketchup-queen widow billionaire gigolos?
    It's your patriotic duty to help those people.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Where we initially went wrong in Iraq (and for that matter, Vietnam) is that we failed to carve a positive image of ourselves in the eyes of the people there.

    Maybe we shouldn't let that happen here?

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Where we initially went wrong in Iraq (and for that matter, Vietnam) is that we failed to carve a positive image of ourselves in the eyes of the people there.

    Maybe we shouldn't let that happen here?
    Absolutely we shouldn't let that happen in Pakistan.

    So we need to stay as far away as possible and leave them no one to blame but their own government and their own Taliban and their own Al Qeada and their own Allah for their troubles.

    You, however, as a private citizen, should donate as much or as little of your own money to whatever anti-American cause you find most suitable for your purposes today.

    OR! You could tell us where the US is going to get the money from to pay for this pointless act of charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely we shouldn't let that happen in Pakistan.

    So we need to stay as far away as possible and leave them no one to blame but their own government and their own Taliban and their own Al Qeada and their own Allah for their troubles.

    You, however, as a private citizen, should donate as much or as little of your own money to whatever anti-American cause you find most suitable for your purposes today.

    OR! You could tell us where the US is going to get the money from to pay for this pointless act of charity.
    The problem is, their own problems are our own problems. If the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we have a HUGE problem.

    As for where the US could get the money, obviously the best way would be to stop the pork and use that money, but since that won't happen I guess the taxpayers are going to have to pay for their own protection. And as I said, this is about their protection.

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The problem is, their own problems are our own problems. If the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we have a HUGE problem.
    No, we don't.

    INDIA has a problem.

    If the Taliban wins in Pakistan, we can start bombing Pakistanis.

    I don't see any problems there, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    As for where the US could get the money, obviously the best way would be to stop the pork and use that money, but since that won't happen I guess the taxpayers are going to have to pay for their own protection. And as I said, this is about their protection.
    My own protection involves getting the crooks out of Washington. I fail to see how encouraging those crooks to steal more of my money accomplishes this.

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely we shouldn't let that happen in Pakistan.

    So we need to stay as far away as possible and leave them no one to blame but their own government and their own Taliban and their own Al Qeada and their own Allah for their troubles.

    You, however, as a private citizen, should donate as much or as little of your own money to whatever anti-American cause you find most suitable for your purposes today.

    OR! You could tell us where the US is going to get the money from to pay for this pointless act of charity.
    How is helping refuges anti-american? Come on now. People who get help from America will be less likely to turn to the Taliban for help, swelling their numbers and giving them legitimacy.

    I'm sorry, SA, but you have not the slightest clue about guerilla warfare, which is what we're facing. As the Mao quote goes, "the guerilla must swim in the people as the fish swims in the sea". The taliban are able to do what they do because they have a level of support among the people. If everyone in Swat and Waziristan stopped tolerating the Taliban, the war would be over. We need to do everything possible to make sure that the people like us, like the Pakistani government, and dislike the Taliban. You are ignorant of the basest concepts of COIN if you don't know this.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, we don't.

    INDIA has a problem.

    If the Taliban wins in Pakistan, we can start bombing Pakistanis.

    I don't see any problems there, do you?
    I really hope I misunderstood your post. Just to clarify you aren't seriously saying that bombing Pakistanis is in any way a good thing right?
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, we don't.

    INDIA has a problem.
    The Taliban harbors terrorists that attack the United States. Or did you forget? And a nuclear weapon in the hands of the Taliban won't be a good thing for ANYONE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    If the Taliban wins in Pakistan, we can start bombing Pakistanis.
    Oh, well that sounds like jolly good fun! Heck, let's help the Taliban take over the country, so that we can bomb the crap out of some Pakistanis. The costs (giving the Taliban a nuclear-armed state) are obviously much less than the benefits (being able to kill some brown people).

    Sometimes I really can't tell if you're being serious or if you're just being a ptsdkid-like troll for the sole purpose of trying to shock people. Either way, grow up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    My own protection involves getting the crooks out of Washington. I fail to see how encouraging those crooks to steal more of my money accomplishes this.
    If we want to end these problems so that we don't have to continually intervene in the Middle East and Central Asia, we need to help these countries develop. Lawless, undeveloped parts of the Muslim world are breeding grounds for terrorists.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Where we initially went wrong in Iraq (and for that matter, Vietnam) is that we failed to carve a positive image of ourselves in the eyes of the people there.

    Maybe we shouldn't let that happen here?
    Agreed.

    The entire basis of a non-conventional war is to gain the trust and support of the indigenous peoples so they won't side with the enemy.

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