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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How is helping refuges anti-american? Come on now.
    You mean besides the friggin' facts that:

    1) We can't afford to help our own people in this country?

    2) We're not constitutionally allowed to help our own citizens like that?

    3) Those people in Pakland hate us.

    4) What the hell is wrong with the rest of the world, how about them chipping in as much as we're usually required to, for a change?

    5) Charity is a voluntary process, governments funded by confiscatory taxes cannot by definition be engaged in charitable acts.

    6) We're not supposed to be the world's cop. Nor are we the world's paramedic.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    People who get help from America will be less likely to turn to the Taliban for help, swelling their numbers and giving them legitimacy.
    Save the money, use it to build a replacement for the B52, and more MOABs and JDAMS, and let their numbers swell.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm sorry, SA, but you have not the slightest clue about guerilla warfare, which is what we're facing.
    You mean besides the fact that if we weren't there we wouldn't be facing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    As the Mao quote goes, "the guerilla must swim in the people as the fish swims in the sea".
    That's fine. Did you know that neutron bombs kill tapeworms as well as hosts?

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean besides the friggin' facts that:

    1) We can't afford to help our own people in this country?
    This is an entirely different issue, not related to the one at hand.

    2) We're not constitutionally allowed to help our own citizens like that?
    Relevence, how?

    3) Those people in Pakland hate us.
    Some do, some don't. It's in our best interest as a nation to make try to win over those that don't.

    4) What the hell is wrong with the rest of the world, how about them chipping in as much as we're usually required to, for a change?
    We should try to get the rest of the world to step up foreign aid too, but you can't change what someone else does, you can only change what you do. If you want to write a letter to Parliament, you're more than welcome to...

    5) Charity is a voluntary process, governments funded by confiscatory taxes cannot by definition be engaged in charitable acts.
    Semantics.

    6) We're not supposed to be the world's cop. Nor are we the world's paramedic.
    If not us, who? Don't you have any human compassion? Private acts have proven to be woefully inadequate. So has governmental action, but its still better than not having it.

    Save the money, use it to build a replacement for the B52, and more MOABs and JDAMS, and let their numbers swell.
    Indiscriminate bombing of civilians is never effective against a guerilla operation, short of genocide.

    You mean besides the fact that if we weren't there we wouldn't be facing it?
    What, in Afghanistan? We wouldn't, but it would be used as a base to plan further 9/11 attacks on America. Besides, Pakistan would still be facing them, and could potentially lead to their government being toppled and replaced with a theocratic dictatorship. With nukes. Sounds exciting, doesn't it?

    That's fine. Did you know that neutron bombs kill tapeworms as well as hosts?
    Did you know there's a concept such as "crimes against humanity"?
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Taliban harbors terrorists that attack the United States. Or did you forget? And a nuclear weapon in the hands of the Taliban won't be a good thing for ANYONE.



    Oh, well that sounds like jolly good fun! Heck, let's help the Taliban take over the country, so that we can bomb the crap out of some Pakistanis. The costs (giving the Taliban a nuclear-armed state) are obviously much less than the benefits (being able to kill some brown people).

    Sometimes I really can't tell if you're being serious or if you're just being a ptsdkid-like troll for the sole purpose of trying to shock people. Either way, grow up.



    If we want to end these problems so that we don't have to continually intervene in the Middle East and Central Asia, we need to help these countries develop. Lawless, undeveloped parts of the Muslim world are breeding grounds for terrorists.
    I wouldn't worry too much, because Obama will sit down with them just like he will with ImOnAJihad. With Bush I was worried everyday about what could happen, but now it's like a beautiful spring day everyday.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much, because Obama will sit down with them just like he will with ImOnAJihad. With Bush I was worried everyday about what could happen, but now it's like a beautiful spring day everyday.
    Excellent contribution to the discussion. Thanks for sharing your fascinating insight on this complex subject.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Excellent contribution to the discussion. Thanks for sharing your fascinating insight on this complex subject.
    Thanks, I didn't want you to forget your President's campaign promises.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    I agree with the angle that making friends with the locals is necessary, but I disagree on a very minor point. The people of that region will never like the U.S. soldiers and the point is to not get them to like you. The point is to get them to see you as being more useful and beneficial to them than the Taliban. When NATO entered Afghanistan, one of the first things they did was give women the freedom to remove their burkhas, contributed funds to building schools, and began shipping in supplies to the damaged areas... this won NATO a lot of support.

    However, like with Afghanistan, the Pakistani people don't want a permanent U.S. presence and want to self-govern. They'll just accept whoever can bring them peace and propserity the most readily.

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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Agreed.

    The entire basis of a non-conventional war is to gain the trust and support of the indigenous peoples so they won't side with the enemy.
    Not only that, but to utilize their support in eliminating them. COIN operations are really 1/4 combat, 1/4 economic development, 1/4 aid and 1/4 diplomacy. The British Empire didn't engage in combat with the Malayan insurgents all that much, but did spend huge amounts of time on the other three.

    I don't quite think that some people here realize that letting Pakistanis wallow in horrible conditions is producing a breeding ground for Taliban recruits.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I agree with the angle that making friends with the locals is necessary, but I disagree on a very minor point. The people of that region will never like the U.S. soldiers and the point is to not get them to like you. The point is to get them to see you as being more useful and beneficial to them than the Taliban.
    The concept of "winning hearts and minds" is crap. It's really about getting them to tolerate us. We frankly don't give a **** if they like us. It's toleration that we care about.
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    Re: US Ponders Wasting Money On Pakistani Refugees

    1) We can't afford to help our own people in this country?
    The US government could afford to probably have a universal healthcare system along with full, free education to all its citizens without any tax increases if it just took it out of the "defense" budget.

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