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Obama adviser says US won't stop Afghan airstrikes

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When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.
 
When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.


It has already been demonstrated that the Taliban kills civilians with grenades and claims they are victims of American "aggression".
Show proof that the attacks are "killing civilians", or stop enabling the Taliban by circulating their lies.

KABUL, Afghanistan — Civilian casualties in Farah province earlier this week were more likely the work of Taliban killers who orchestrated a series of events leading up to U.S. bombings, rather than the bombs themselves, U.S. military authorities said Thursday.

Even while a joint Afghan-U.S. investigating team was entering the district of Bala Buluk — where some reports said up to 120 people were killed overnight Monday and early Tuesday — U.S. authorities challenged the idea that it was the close air support of four strafing runs and 13 bombs that killed the civilians.
Col. Greg Julian, the top U.S. spokesman in Afghanistan, said that there were unconfirmed reports that villagers in the area said Taliban fighters herded women and children into houses, tossed in grenades, then blamed the coalition for the deaths.
U.S. officials believe Taliban, not airstrikes caused civilian deaths | Stars and Stripes
 
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When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.

I cannot speak for those who called Bush a war criminal, though I do not think air-strikes were the main reason he was called such, but regardless of who the president is, caution must be taken in ensuring that intelligence is correct and that correct targets are hit. By blindly ignoring the consequences of slaughtering civilians, we are no better for the people of Afghanistan than the Taliban. We will lose the backing of the Afghan people and ultimately change nothing.
 
I don't recall a whole lotta people bashing Bush for actions taken when fighting the Taliban (torture, notwithstanding.) I most remember him taking flack over Iraq.

Everybody wants the Taliban put out of commission. Dems and Repubs alike.
 
When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.

Most of the remarks came from Bush's war in Iraq.

I supported Bush's efforts fully in Afghanistan. When Obama turns his eyes from Afghanistan and then invades a country that has little to do with the war on terror citing falsely that a country has stockpiles of WMDs that would be a valid comparison don't you think?
 
It has already been demonstrated that the Taliban kills civilians with grenades and claims they are victims of American "aggression".
Show proof that the attacks are "killing civilians", or stop enabling the Taliban by circulating their lies.


U.S. officials believe Taliban, not airstrikes caused civilian deaths | Stars and Stripes

So telling how the tune changes to one of support when it comes to Obama but if it were Bush still waging the war, you would be crying and caterwauling to the high heavens about how wrong it was...:rofl
 
So telling how the tune changes to one of support when it comes to Obama but if it were Bush still waging the war, you would be crying and caterwauling to the high heavens about how wrong it was...:rofl

The tune never changed. The majority on the left supported the Afghanistan war.
 
Of course you do now that Obama is waging the war...

Huh? Show me where I was against the Afghanistan war even when Bush was waging it.
 
When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.

I have not read up in this situation and i have never really been adverse to war with Taliban. What i do have a problem with is the killing of civilians that is occuring and if what is being reported is right, then US has some explaining to do.
 
I have not read up in this situation and i have never really been adverse to war with Taliban. What i do have a problem with is the killing of civilians that is occuring and if what is being reported is right, then US has some explaining to do.
Are you realistically expecting zero civilian casualties?
 
Are you realistically expecting zero civilian casualties?

Not really but from the news it seems like alot of civilian casulties
 
Not really but from the news it seems like alot of civilian casulties
Frankly I think our Air Force is doing an outstanding job of minimizing civilian casualties. It's tough getting it "perfect" from 60,000 feet.
 
I have not read up in this situation and i have never really been adverse to war with Taliban. What i do have a problem with is the killing of civilians that is occuring and if what is being reported is right, then US has some explaining to do.

I spent six years in the US Navy, working on military aircraft weapon systems("aviation fire control technician" was the official job title) and developed a fascination with ordinance and weapon systems in general. I am also a died in the wool liberal. So I want to agree with you from a political standpoint, sorta, except based on what I know, I can tell you explicitly that the US forces are desperately trying to minimize civilian casualties, to the point of increasing the risks they take to avoid civilian death. The problem is that "smart ordinance" or "precision ordnance" are relative terms. They are smarter and more precise than a standard munitions, but are far from perfect. The problem is also that humans make mistakes.

The civilian deaths(I hate the term "collateral damage", which seeks to minimize the emotional impact of what happened) are tragic, and I feel for those effected, but hope that there will be a greater good come out of this fight.
 
I was Fire Control in the Navy too.



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Of course you do now that Obama is waging the war...

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And finally - Democrat Vs. Republican support for the War in Iraq :

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Seems to me that while Democrat support for the war in Iraq has been declining since the start, support for the war in Afghanistan has at the very least remained the same even while Bush was president(July 2008).
 
Of course you do now that Obama is waging the war...

And there's the right-wing rewriting of history. Frankly I'm surprised to see it coming from you.

At least it took a few years for people to start parroting the lie "Everyone thought Saddam Hussein had WMDs." It's been less than four months since George Bush was president, and already you falsely 'remember' the vast majority of Democrats calling Bush a war criminal for fighting a war against the Taliban...do you honestly think that people have forgotten that quickly?

Never happened. And furthermore, you know perfectly well that what you are saying is total crap. A total of ONE out of 535 members of Congress voted against the Afghanistan war, and I'm not aware of anyone serious who has called Bush a war criminal for fighting the war in Afghanistan.

Remember that time Bush ate a baby on FOX News, to the applause of the Republican establishment? If Obama did the same thing, you guys would be going nuts. :lol:
 
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When Bush was at war, many called him a war criminal. So where are the accusers now? Obama is doing the exact same thing, and I don't hear a peep from those who accused Bush. Was killing civilians wrong for Bush and OK for Obama? That's the message I seem to be getting from Obama supporters. So, in other words, killing civilians was not the issue when Bush was in office. It was about politics, and nothing more. If I am wrong, then I want to hear the same people who condemned Bush condemn Obama. After all, he is doing pretty much the same thing.

Article is here.

They are the same. Bush and Obama are the same. Look at what they do and not what they say. Even the appearance of what they do is suspect.

A False Move on Gitmo
Obama’s lofty talk does nothing to resolve detainee situation.


"to summarize: We’d love to close Guantanamo, but we can’t right now; we’d love to transfer detainees out of Guantanamo, but other countries don’t want them; we’d love to give every detainee a civilian trial, but we don’t have enough evidence; we’d love to release the detainees we can’t charge with crimes, but our intelligence tells us they’re dangerous, so doing so would be irresponsible; and we’d love to stick to the highly civilized, detainee-friendly interrogation practices approved by the Army Field Manual, but every now and then there may be an emergency when something more severe is warranted.



Underneath all the lofty rhetoric, we’re gratified to see that this is change George W. Bush could believe in."
 
Second Obama is out of office every lefty in this thread will oppose Afghanistan.

ANYONE who trust anything they say in regard to ANY front in this war is a ****ing idiot.
 
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And finally - Democrat Vs. Republican support for the War in Iraq :

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Seems to me that while Democrat support for the war in Iraq has been declining since the start, support for the war in Afghanistan has at the very least remained the same even while Bush was president(July 2008).
Or maybe it's because Democrats beat up on the War in Iraq for 8 years, and didn't lay a glove on Afghanistan. ;)
 
Second Obama is out of office every lefty in this thread will oppose Afghanistan.

Considering that I wasn't against the Afghanistan war even when Bush was in office, why would I be against it when Obama leaves?
 
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