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Soda Tax

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I have.

Conservatives are right more often than those on the left, who are never right.

Conservatives aren't right all the time.
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Yeah not partisan hackery on your end lol.

Yet you vote in and IMMORTALIZE people like Regan that believed in the war on drugs. Show your hypocrisy elsewhere please.
 
LaMidRighter said:
And so have I, it's time for people on our side to start living our beliefs, not throwing them out as rhetoric.
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About time? You are about 3 decades short there.
 
nerv14 said:
LaMidRighter said:
I am not claiming that if freedom doesn't help people, then that should be prevented. There is no reason to waste time preventing something if it doesn't harm others.

I am simply saying that if freedom HARMS most people overall then it should be prevented.
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What's the point of preventing people from harming THEMSELVES. Liberty comes with consequences, but less so than government "security".
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LaMidRighter said:
What's the point of preventing people from harming THEMSELVES. Liberty comes with consequences, but less so than government "security".
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And yet the so called conservative savior REGAN did not agree with your cause however, conservatives love to spout off about regan and free ideals.
 
TheNextEra said:
And yet the so called conservative savior REGAN did not agree with your cause however, conservatives love to spout off about regan and free ideals.
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Are all these non sequiturs your definition of your position?

Can you make the effort to state your position without them, so others might figure out what it is?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Are all these non sequiturs your definition of your position?

Can you make the effort to state your position without them, so others might figure out what it is?
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The fact that you guys spout of Regan as your savior is Factual. He was a leading person on the war on drugs. Yet when push comes to shove you guys love to spout off how great regan was.

Sorry guy it's fact. Or are you going to go on record as Regan being a bad president?
 
TheNextEra said:
The fact that you guys spout of Regan as your savior is Factual. He was a leading person on the war on drugs. Yet when push comes to shove you guys love to spout off how great regan was.

Sorry guy it's fact. Or are you going to go on record as Regan being a bad president?
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1) Spell his name right if you're going to spout off about him.
2) He has nothing to do with this thread.
3) Find something better to do if you have nothing to contribute but strawmen.

Anyway, as a dedicated Diet Coke drinker, I can see worse things to tax. Sugared soda is one of the deepest nutritional black holes out there and it contributes a lot of the extra pounds my peers have been putting on these last few decades (well, their age group, not any particular bunch of people). If we are going to have a national system (which I support only for children) we'll need to fund it somehow, and even if SCHIP was just being totally nationalized, I'd be happy with a soda tax. This every-person-in-the-country thing doesn't really turn me on, but I doubt Obama can make it work for long.
 
Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
1) Spell his name right if you're going to spout off about him.
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Or what, you are going to come after me? LOL deal with it.

Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
2) He has nothing to do with this thread.
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Sure he does, he is the leader in doing what is right for America by supporting the government making something illegal FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
3) Find something better to do if you have nothing to contribute but strawmen.
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I suggest you do the same thing if you don't like what I say about the savior of conservatives who supported the right of the government to interfere for the greater good of what HE believed.
 
TheNextEra said:
And yet the so called conservative savior REGAN did not agree with your cause however, conservatives love to spout off about regan and free ideals.
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Reagan was against drugs, that was probably more about political pressures of those days, it is something I disagree with, but overall Reagan was a strong leader and did a great job. We all make mistakes, as he and other presidents did, and I never agree 100% with anyone, so it really is a non-issue.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Reagan was against drugs, that was probably more about political pressures of those days, it is something I disagree with, but overall Reagan was a strong leader and did a great job. We all make mistakes, as he and other presidents did, and I never agree 100% with anyone, so it really is a non-issue.
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Hey keep making excuses for your interferer all you want, I don't care. I recognize him for what he is. Someone who was recognized as a savior for conservatives and he interfered in what conservatives wanted him to.

Conservatives love saying the government shouldn't interfere unless it is with a subject THEY AGREE WITH, then they support it.
 
TheNextEra said:
And yet the so called conservative savior REGAN did not agree with your cause however, conservatives love to spout off about regan and free ideals.
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Reagan started the process of deflating government, too bad he had an opposing house in those days, he could have done more.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Reagan started the process of deflating government, too bad he had an opposing house in those days, he could have done more.
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He did not start the process of deflating government he inflated it. It just was inflated with what he wanted.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Less than that, but the party ideals admittedly seem to have died with Goldwater and Reagan.
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Oh please they were inflated with what conservatives wanted to interfere with.

Conservatives now are just as bad as liberals now, they want to interfere with what they want to interfere with. No side is clean.
 
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I don't see how they can tax soda without taxing all unhealthy things. What's next, are they gonna tax being outside during a thunderstorm, or not wearing a life jacket when you go fishing? I don't see how they (those pushing for soda tax) can have a double standard.
 
TheNextEra said:
The fact that you guys spout of Regan as your savior is Factual. He was a leading person on the war on drugs. Yet when push comes to shove you guys love to spout off how great regan was.

Sorry guy it's fact. Or are you going to go on record as Regan being a bad president?
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In the real world, one accepts the fact that people, even the best of people, are at times, wrong.

Sane people do not expect Messiahs, and they don't vote for them.

Reagan was the best president of the Twentieth Century.

Live with it.
 
LakeCharlesGuy said:
I don't see how they can tax soda without taxing all unhealthy things. What's next, are they gonna tax being outside during a thunderstorm, or not wearing a life jacket when you go fishing? I don't see how they (those pushing for soda tax) can have a double standard.
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Eventually we'll get all of those taxes too. Adults should not be empowered to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. The great and all knowing nanny state must save us from ourselves!
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
In the real world, one accepts the fact that people, even the best of people, are at times, wrong.

Sane people do not expect Messiahs, and they don't vote for them.

Reagan was the best president of the Twentieth Century.

Live with it.
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The only ones calling Obama messiah are conservatives, so their mindset is obviously flawed then according to you.

As for you excusing Regan, it only shows that you are willing to compromise your beliefs of conservatives as long as it is beliefs you believe in.

You don't believe in small government you are for government that interferes in what YOU want it to. That isn't conservatism, that is hypocrisy.
 
TheNextEra said:
The only ones calling Obama messiah are conservatives, so their mindset is obviously flawed then according to you.
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No, they didn't vote for him.

Clearly the people voting for The Messiah have their minds warped.

TheNextEra said:
As for you excusing Regan, it only shows that you are willing to compromise your beliefs of conservatives as long as it is beliefs you believe in.
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I'm god, I'm allowed to do that.

TheNextEra said:
You don't believe in small government you are for government that interferes in what YOU want it to. That isn't conservatism, that is hypocrisy.
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Right. That's what I've been arguing for all my life.


Then again, I don't pretend to be a conservative. Rather, I'm an objective non-partisan observer.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, they didn't vote for him.

Clearly the people voting for The Messiah have their minds warped.
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Again since your mind must be warped, the only ones calling Obama the messiah are conservatives and Republicans.


Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I'm god, I'm allowed to do that.
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And it shows why you are calling Obama the Messiah, thank you.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right. That's what I've been arguing for all my life.
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so then you admit you aren't for smaller government you are just for government you agree with. That isn't conservatism.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Then again, I don't pretend to be a conservative. Rather, I'm an objective non-partisan observer.
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Yes, a hypocrite, who acts like he is for smaller government but just is for government he agrees with and then accuses liberals of the same thing as being bad.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Oh please they were inflated with what conservatives wanted to interfere with.
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I need better examples to continue the debate, but most of the infringements that come directly to mind from the legislative branch have been liberal agendas: The PMRC in the eighties, the machine gun ban of 1986 which was snuck into a spending bill, the Great Society/New Deal, etc.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The goal of people is to have the freedom to set their own damn goals.
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That is simillar to what I feel, in that "goal of people" is to become the most free, and happy. But I don't think that this specifically means that each individual needs to control all of their own goals. Democracy is a substitute. (I talk about this more below)

I actually have a reason to support freedom, because since people are the only thing that matters we should all reach our potential abilities. Therefore, people should be free to puruse their own abilities.

but why do people need to set ALL of their own goals? shouldn't the end result of freedom matter more?

The limits to freedom are that exercise of someone's freedom should not interfere with someone else's similar freedom. However, that does not mean people should be robbed, since that violates their freedom.
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People's freedoms can be violated if wealth distribution is abolished. It is impossible for everyone's freedoms to coincide perfectly together. We need to chose which has the MOST freedom. anything else is fooling yourself.

And since I don't believe that people have a "freedom" to their property (at least not on the same level as their civil liberties) it should be on a more case by case basis.


But I agree that people should be able to set their own goals, because anything else is tyranny. But of course, since I don't percieve private property being inherently a type of Freedom, if people decide that they want to collectively give wealth to the poor, then that is their decision.

People are more willing to give money (for the GREATER GOOD) if they know that others will agree to follow that. Sure, it should be made as local as possible to prevent people from being forced to help the poor, but some freedoms will be trampled for others.


Isn't a small tax worth allowing poor children the ability to be free to reach their abilities? I believe so.
 
Good news is polls are showing Americans don't want ObamaCare anymore then they wanted HillaryCare.

But these type of "undercover" taxes are going to be the norm or the most often Tax applied. That way Obama can declare he didn't raise your taxes while you pay more for everything from Oil to Soda.


Obama is close to taking his last step. There is inevitably going to be a major backlash against all this spending and when the taxes hit his popularity will plummet. Easily most people who voted for him did not vote for massive spending and taxation.
But that is what he promises and is doing. Even with a budget deficit going over 2 Trillion this year equal and close to surpassing all 8 years of Bush2 combined. He's still out there saying "lets spend a trllion on helthcare..oh and another trillion on the enviroment..etc etc."

Its insane!...and just as it monetarily unsustainable so is his position as mr popularity.

If you look around polls you will see that while he is popular as a person his policies are not. It will catch up and when it does no speech will do him any good.
Carter only worse.
 
Psychoclown said:
Eventually we'll get all of those taxes too. Adults should not be empowered to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. The great and all knowing nanny state must save us from ourselves!
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Well, the imperial federal government and the authoritarian left are this close to taking over the health care industry. Their plan on making health care more affordable? Prevent people from doing anything that would require them to need health care. BRILLIANT! Absolutely brilliant.
 
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