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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by kjyoung View Post
    I never said the government knows best. I said legislation on the amounts of High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) and sugars should be made.
    Which means that you think government knows best to legislate HFCS

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    Unless someone eats from their own garden, never has a meal out (and not just at a fast food place, but any restaurant), and never buys most pre-packaged foods or beverages he/she is in danger of health issues related to cholesterol and diabetes. Why? Because HFCS is not only a sweetener, but a preservative as well. This rings like a cash register bell to manufacturers because it's relatively cheep for them to use and it extends the shelf-life of their product. Cha-ching!
    Sorry, but yes, you can still eat what is out there with HFCS, however, you have to watch your PORTIONS and exercise on a regular basis.

    You don't have to eat EVERYTHING they give you on the plate in ONE eating.

    When I go to a restaurant, they are usually giving me anywhere between 3-4 servings.

    I eat one serving, and get the rest to go along with regularly exercising.

    I used to be obese myself, and I lost all my weight by just watching my portions and how many calories I was in taking along with exercising regularly which just consisted of me doing some pushups/situps and walks.

    The problem is people have become too lazy. That is their problem and not HFCS. What's next, legislating the portions of food because people are too dumb to do it themselves?

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by kjyoung View Post
    I never said the government knows best. I said legislation on the amounts of High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) and sugars should be made.

    Unless someone eats from their own garden, never has a meal out (and not just at a fast food place, but any restaurant), and never buys most pre-packaged foods or beverages he/she is in danger of health issues related to cholesterol and diabetes. Why? Because HFCS is not only a sweetener, but a preservative as well. This rings like a cash register bell to manufacturers because it's relatively cheep for them to use and it extends the shelf-life of their product. Cha-ching!

    Studies have been done showing that there is a link between the increase in diabetes and the increase in the use of HFCS in our foods. As the quote above states, this has been going on since the 70s and lo and behold...

    -k
    Actually the reason they use HFCS now is because of farm subsidies on corn.
    The farmers get paid to grow it and then they get paid again when they sell it.

    It makes it extra cheap compared to sugar.

    Sugar is way better for you than HFCS could ever be.

    As soon as I stopped drinking soda with HFCS, my digestive problems went away like magic. It's very telling.
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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Giraffe View Post
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    Has anyone seen the movie Demolition Man? Well, in it, every kind of food that was deemed unhealthy was made illegal. That won't happen here, but as the government assumes responsibility for our health care, you can damn well bet that anything deemed unhealthy is going to be taxed to death. If Americans don't start fighting Liberalism in this country, it will be too late. Americans have gotten weak and lazy, primed to enter into that fashionable European decay... or what I like to call Societal Rot. They will weaken every aspect of the American Economy and destroy the foundations of liberty for shorter work weeks, free health care, federally financed retirement, and less personal responsibility. If we don't have the stomach to take on these cultural problems manifesting themselves as a liberal political movement, we are going to go down with the ship.
    Hold onto your seats people; this is just the very beginning of many new taxes to come.

    In an effort to avoid the political backlash Liberal Democrats would receive if they honestly raise income taxes, which is merely an inevitability to pay for trillions in excess spending, you will find many more of these desperate sneaky measures in an effort to raise sufficient revenue to pay for this vast new Liberal agenda.

    But alas, in the end, most of this will end up making jobs even more scarce; perhaps as scarce as profits are these days.

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    If the Republican Party cannot find it within themselves to stand upon firm philosophical convictions and meaningful mores than a new Party must evolve to supplant the decrepit soon to be corpse of the GOP.
    The Republicans can do NOTHING to stop ANYTHING Pelosi, Reid and Obama want to do; the American voters made sure of that in 2006 and 2008. Gotta love them informed voters don't you?

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    Re: Soda Tax

    I am all for taxing things that have a bad effect on society. (because the social cost and personal cost of certain things are different. Such as a tax on harmful pollution NOT CO2 makes the free market work better.)


    A tax on soda is bad though, because the harmful effect only effects the person that uses it.

    Unlike pot and tobbacco which either has second hand smoke or may increase the chances of someone harming someone else, we aren't hurt by other people being unhealthy.

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by kjyoung View Post
    Three cheers for rolling your own!!

    -k
    yeah, 3 cheers, Dana, hope you are setting aside the money you save rolling your own so you can afford the Oxygen bottles...
    My 59 year old brother quit last year, VA doctors told him to quit and they will continue to treat him, or go home and die. He quit cold turkey.....
    Except for looking like he is 10 years older than me instead of 4 years younger, he is starting to look healthy again....
    I think he rolled his own, don't know how he could have afforded his habit on what little disability the Navy gives him...
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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    I am all for taxing things that have a bad effect on society. (because the social cost and personal cost of certain things are different. Such as a tax on harmful pollution NOT CO2 makes the free market work better.)

    A tax on soda is bad though, because the harmful effect only effects the person that uses it.

    Unlike pot and tobbacco which either has second hand smoke or may increase the chances of someone harming someone else, we aren't hurt by other people being unhealthy.
    No surprise here; most Liberals feel this way; got Freedom?

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    as for productive class, the very rich are often not producing anything, just living off the productivity of others.
    Obviously you have limited knowledge of Capital formation and risk taking. It explains much of your naive Liberal Socialist notions.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    it is very good for an individual's economics to live on less, but it plays havoc with macroeconomics. the govt depends on us being consumers, and if enough of us minimize our consumption, it will be a long and messy period of adjustment for the nations economy...
    Based on your comments in this forum, it is obvious that you have limited grasp of economic concepts and it is ironic that you quote them in such an uninformed way.

    Good lord, no wonder someone like Obama can get elected these days.

    However, let me say this about your naive notions, the effects Obamanomics on this economy will hardly be a long and "messy" period, but rather an outright disaster this nation may NEVER recover from.

    Describing what this moron is doing to our future as being "a long messy period" is trite and inept.

    By the way, have you heard that on top of the trillions Obama and Liberal Democrats are already spending that they don't have, Medicare will now be bankrupt within 7 years? Where do you think the Democrats are going to find the money to pay for that program....hmmmmm....let us all THINK......


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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No surprise here; most Liberals feel this way; got Freedom?
    Freedom isn't good if it harms everyone in the society.

    Why don't we just abandone civilization then? That would give everyone "complete freedom to everyone else" -Hobbes , but it is bad for everyone.

    Luckily for us, the truely important freedoms of speach and civil liberties are alway bad for society in the long run if they are removed. And that is why we keep them. Freedom for freedom's sake is odviously foolish if there is no reason for it and it harms people.

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Freedom isn't good if it harms everyone in the society.

    Why don't we just abandone civilization then? That would give everyone "complete freedom to everyone else" -Hobbes , but it is bad for everyone.

    Luckily for us, the truely important freedoms of speach and civil liberties are alway bad for society in the long run if they are removed. And that is why we keep them. Freedom for freedom's sake is odviously foolish if there is no reason for it and it harms people.
    Are there any facts to support such emotional hyperbole?

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Going to be alot of these lil "not really a tax tax" in the future.


    Democrats don't seem to have the ability to stand up and put their names to the major tax increases they want and likely require with their spending splurge. So as usual they pull this stuff.

    See the tax isn't really a tax tax and besides its for your own good against the EVIL sugar people.

    Same basic line they use against..rich people, oil companies, banks, car companies, the 'corporations'.. you name it.

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