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    Re: Soda Tax

    I don't see how they can tax soda without taxing all unhealthy things. What's next, are they gonna tax being outside during a thunderstorm, or not wearing a life jacket when you go fishing? I don't see how they (those pushing for soda tax) can have a double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The fact that you guys spout of Regan as your savior is Factual. He was a leading person on the war on drugs. Yet when push comes to shove you guys love to spout off how great regan was.

    Sorry guy it's fact. Or are you going to go on record as Regan being a bad president?
    In the real world, one accepts the fact that people, even the best of people, are at times, wrong.

    Sane people do not expect Messiahs, and they don't vote for them.

    Reagan was the best president of the Twentieth Century.

    Live with it.

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LakeCharlesGuy View Post
    I don't see how they can tax soda without taxing all unhealthy things. What's next, are they gonna tax being outside during a thunderstorm, or not wearing a life jacket when you go fishing? I don't see how they (those pushing for soda tax) can have a double standard.
    Eventually we'll get all of those taxes too. Adults should not be empowered to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. The great and all knowing nanny state must save us from ourselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In the real world, one accepts the fact that people, even the best of people, are at times, wrong.

    Sane people do not expect Messiahs, and they don't vote for them.

    Reagan was the best president of the Twentieth Century.

    Live with it.
    The only ones calling Obama messiah are conservatives, so their mindset is obviously flawed then according to you.

    As for you excusing Regan, it only shows that you are willing to compromise your beliefs of conservatives as long as it is beliefs you believe in.

    You don't believe in small government you are for government that interferes in what YOU want it to. That isn't conservatism, that is hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The only ones calling Obama messiah are conservatives, so their mindset is obviously flawed then according to you.
    No, they didn't vote for him.

    Clearly the people voting for The Messiah have their minds warped.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As for you excusing Regan, it only shows that you are willing to compromise your beliefs of conservatives as long as it is beliefs you believe in.
    I'm god, I'm allowed to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You don't believe in small government you are for government that interferes in what YOU want it to. That isn't conservatism, that is hypocrisy.
    Right. That's what I've been arguing for all my life.


    Then again, I don't pretend to be a conservative. Rather, I'm an objective non-partisan observer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, they didn't vote for him.

    Clearly the people voting for The Messiah have their minds warped.
    Again since your mind must be warped, the only ones calling Obama the messiah are conservatives and Republicans.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm god, I'm allowed to do that.
    And it shows why you are calling Obama the Messiah, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right. That's what I've been arguing for all my life.
    so then you admit you aren't for smaller government you are just for government you agree with. That isn't conservatism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, I don't pretend to be a conservative. Rather, I'm an objective non-partisan observer.
    Yes, a hypocrite, who acts like he is for smaller government but just is for government he agrees with and then accuses liberals of the same thing as being bad.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 05-14-09 at 10:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Oh please they were inflated with what conservatives wanted to interfere with.
    I need better examples to continue the debate, but most of the infringements that come directly to mind from the legislative branch have been liberal agendas: The PMRC in the eighties, the machine gun ban of 1986 which was snuck into a spending bill, the Great Society/New Deal, etc.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The goal of people is to have the freedom to set their own damn goals.
    That is simillar to what I feel, in that "goal of people" is to become the most free, and happy. But I don't think that this specifically means that each individual needs to control all of their own goals. Democracy is a substitute. (I talk about this more below)

    I actually have a reason to support freedom, because since people are the only thing that matters we should all reach our potential abilities. Therefore, people should be free to puruse their own abilities.

    but why do people need to set ALL of their own goals? shouldn't the end result of freedom matter more?

    The limits to freedom are that exercise of someone's freedom should not interfere with someone else's similar freedom. However, that does not mean people should be robbed, since that violates their freedom.
    People's freedoms can be violated if wealth distribution is abolished. It is impossible for everyone's freedoms to coincide perfectly together. We need to chose which has the MOST freedom. anything else is fooling yourself.

    And since I don't believe that people have a "freedom" to their property (at least not on the same level as their civil liberties) it should be on a more case by case basis.


    But I agree that people should be able to set their own goals, because anything else is tyranny. But of course, since I don't percieve private property being inherently a type of Freedom, if people decide that they want to collectively give wealth to the poor, then that is their decision.

    People are more willing to give money (for the GREATER GOOD) if they know that others will agree to follow that. Sure, it should be made as local as possible to prevent people from being forced to help the poor, but some freedoms will be trampled for others.


    Isn't a small tax worth allowing poor children the ability to be free to reach their abilities? I believe so.

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    Re: Soda Tax

    Good news is polls are showing Americans don't want ObamaCare anymore then they wanted HillaryCare.

    But these type of "undercover" taxes are going to be the norm or the most often Tax applied. That way Obama can declare he didn't raise your taxes while you pay more for everything from Oil to Soda.


    Obama is close to taking his last step. There is inevitably going to be a major backlash against all this spending and when the taxes hit his popularity will plummet. Easily most people who voted for him did not vote for massive spending and taxation.
    But that is what he promises and is doing. Even with a budget deficit going over 2 Trillion this year equal and close to surpassing all 8 years of Bush2 combined. He's still out there saying "lets spend a trllion on helthcare..oh and another trillion on the enviroment..etc etc."

    Its insane!...and just as it monetarily unsustainable so is his position as mr popularity.

    If you look around polls you will see that while he is popular as a person his policies are not. It will catch up and when it does no speech will do him any good.
    Carter only worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Eventually we'll get all of those taxes too. Adults should not be empowered to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. The great and all knowing nanny state must save us from ourselves!
    Well, the imperial federal government and the authoritarian left are this close to taking over the health care industry. Their plan on making health care more affordable? Prevent people from doing anything that would require them to need health care. BRILLIANT! Absolutely brilliant.
    There is nothing more dangerous to the liberty of Man than a Government or a Religion seizing upon the strings of an overdeveloped herd instinct amongst the people.

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