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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I was simply correcting your factual error.
    Any point you make based on a factual error is necessarily unsound.
    So you think that knowing how to wage war is a requirement to be president?

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you think that knowing how to wage war is a requirement to be president?
    I think that you made a factual error when you declared that GHWB was the last President to be a veteran, and that any point you made based on that erroneous declaration is necessarily unsound.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Afghanistan is still Bush's war, but a good war to wage. Bush was right to fight this one. I am afraid that the first war to be attributed to Obama may be Pakistan, and sooner than you think.
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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you think that knowing how to wage war is a requirement to be president?
    Not per the Constitution, but if you're a Prez who wants to lob rounds downrange it might make sense to have some idea of what's involved.

    What branch of the military did Dear Leader serve in again?

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Inferno View Post
    It was Obama's conflict. It has never been a war. It is actually an invasion of a sovereign nation if we want it all accurate. Obama said he was against the conflict from the beginning so I hold him responsible for any deaths and money spent on this fiasco in the sand.
    A few points, if I may.

    1. I don't think Obama was against this conflict from the beginning. I certainly do not recall him ever saying such a thing, and if he did I certainly missed it. In fact, his remarks from 2007 indicate that he supported - not opposed - the conflict in Afghanistan. "I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan. But I said I could not support 'a dumb war, a rash war' in Iraq. I worried about a 'U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences' in the heart of the Muslim world. I pleaded that we 'finish the fight with bin Ladin and al Qaeda'." (Source: BarackObama.com | Remarks of Senator Obama: The War We Need to Win).

    2. True, we invaded the sovereign nation of Afghanistan - a nation controlled by the Taliban, a regime which not only harbored the terrorist Osama Bin Laden, but supported his brutal attack against the United States of America as well. Liberals and conservatives have our ideological differences, but the vast majority of us stood together after the attack because we are first and foremost Americans. Danarhea's words were dead on - "Afghanistan is still Bush's war, but a good war to wage. Bush was right to fight this one." Few Americans - liberal OR conservative - would disagree.

    3. I respect your right to believe that Afghanistan is a fiasco, though I personally disagree. The arguments can be made that Obama is mishandling the conflict, or that Bush mishandled it, or whatever. But I stand behind Obama on this conflict just like I stood behind Bush, because both Presidents have acted in the best interest of our country by this conflict. Yes, war is hell and it's a great tragedy whenever mankind is forced into it, but like philosopher John Stuart Mill said, "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Dear Leader must be presumed to know of these harsh interrogations, because Secretary Gates explicitly stated he conferred with Dear Leader over the firing of McKiernan and the elevation of McChrystal:


    Of course, since McChrystal has been blessed by Dear Leader, the actions of his elite team interrogating at Camp Nama could never be considered "torture." Dear Leader's blessing is sufficient to remove that taint from one and all.
    Well he did just issue that order that says no torture unless you really have to. What a guy!
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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Afghanistan is still Bush's war, but a good war to wage. Bush was right to fight this one. I am afraid that the first war to be attributed to Obama may be Pakistan, and sooner than you think.
    Bush might have started it, but it became Obama's war on January 20th.
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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Not per the Constitution, but if you're a Prez who wants to lob rounds downrange it might make sense to have some idea of what's involved.

    What branch of the military did Dear Leader serve in again?
    I served in the Navy, and am totally unqualified to run a war. Service in the military is neither required to be president, nor does it mean have any idea what is involved in a war. That is what advisers are for.

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