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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You mean the last combat veteran, or the last veteran that served overseas.
    Last active duty veteran.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Last active duty veteran.
    The last (pick a qualifier) veteran, but not the last veteran.
    Just so we're clear.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The last (pick a qualifier) veteran, but not the last veteran.
    Just so we're clear.
    If I was referring to a reserve veteran, I would refer to them as such, with that qualifier. When I use the term veteran, I mean active duty, including those reservists who get called up.

    To call President Bush the younger a veteran is a perversion of the term.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If I was referring to a reserve veteran, I would refer to them as such, with that qualifier. When I use the term veteran, I mean active duty, including those reservists who get called up.
    Yeah. Right.
    Unfortunately for you, the term itself has no such inherent qualifications:

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    The most common usage is for former armed services personnel. A veteran is one who has served in the armed forces, especially one who has served in combat. It is especially applied to those who served for an entire career, usually of 20 years or more, but may be applied for someone who has only served one tour of duty. A common misconception is that one had to have either been in combat and/or has retired from active duty to be called a military veteran.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran]Veteran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    To call President Bush the younger a veteran is a perversion of the term.
    Thats what I thught you were getting at -- not any real point, just a meaningless personal attack on GWB.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    No doubt if the war in Afghanistan fails, Obama will say he inherited it.
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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No doubt if the war in Afghanistan fails, Obama will say he inherited it.
    Even if that failure is officially declared in 2016.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thats what I thught you were getting at -- not any real point, just a meaningless personal attack on GWB.
    It's not meaningless. I am a veteran. I dislike sharing the term with some one who used the reserves to get out of serving active duty.

    I have a great deal of respect for President Bush the elder, despite the fact that I differed with him almost completely on issues, because of his choice to serve the country. President Bush the younger did not chose to serve the country, he chose to serve himself.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's not meaningless.
    Personal attacks are always meaningless, and are usually offered when there is nothing of substance to put in its place.

    I am a veteran. I dislike sharing the term with some one who used the reserves to get out of serving active duty.
    You can dislike it all you want -- fact of the matter is, GWB is a veteran.

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Personal attacks are always meaningless, and are usually offered when there is nothing of substance to put in its place.
    Interesting, so what exactly did my comments about veterans that you disliked so much have to do with the actual point I was making, that was of substance? Oh, did you forget about that?

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    Re: It's Obama's War Now

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interesting, so what exactly did my comments about veterans that you disliked so much have to do with the actual point I was making, that was of substance?
    I was simply correcting your factual error.
    Any point you make based on a factual error is necessarily unsound.
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