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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Unlike the conservative policies that have done such a great job so far?
    What conservative policies are you refering to?

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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So your implying that the elections are inadequate? How so? Also the word authoritarianism has been throw around alot in this thread. I dont think this is accurate as an authoritarian system is one in which political particiapation is limited and/or controlled. I dont see any evidence of this in Venuzuela.


    He and his party control all aspects of Venezuela's political system..from the lowest police station to the highest judge.

    The primary opposition leader had to flee the nation recently do to questionable charges from a Courts run by Chavez.
    Interpol seeks arrest of opposition leader: Venezuela - Yahoo! Canada News

    Chavez shut down an opposition TV station and has actively been silencing dissenters in all forms of media in Venezuela.
    Chavez has organized a Militia force which has been seen and used recently against people who protested against give him the ability to be President for Life.

    Since he gained power he has dismantled or taken control of anything that threatens his power.

    He's a Dictator and will remain in power until killed or he dies naturally.

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    Funny how a Far Right military man who tried to seize power in a bloody coup becomes a beacon of democracy as long as he espouses socialist/communist ideals in a red beret.

    Politically he is very similar to Mussolini..
    Benito went Right when he realized the Left where a dead end. Chavez went Left when he realized the Right was a dead end.
    In both cases personal power is the key and what matters in the end.
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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No doubt the people like him, he's a populist but in terms of things like property rights you could draw a parallel of authoritarian rule with his seizure of private property.
    PDVSA engaged in significantly more authoritarian and damaging actions before they were placed into public control.

    EDIT: I'll have more to say to this thread later.
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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Hey, it's none of our damn business anymore. We're letting the UN and China take over as world policeman. We're officially on vacation now. Man does it feel good too.
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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    He and his party control all aspects of Venezuela's political system..from the lowest police station to the highest judge.
    That's simply not true.

    The primary opposition leader had to flee the nation recently do to questionable charges from a Courts run by Chavez.
    Interpol seeks arrest of opposition leader: Venezuela - Yahoo! Canada News
    I don't think it's that far out that this man was actually guilty of the charges of corruption leveled against him. To put it into context, there have been supporters of Chavez that have been charged with corruption as well. Corruption is a bipartisan affair in Venezuela, as is prosecution for it.

    Chavez shut down an opposition TV station and has actively been silencing dissenters in all forms of media in Venezuela.
    The television station that was inciting a revolt against a democratically elected government was simply denied a network license. They are actually still operating on I believe cable, which many Venezuelans have.

    Chavez has organized a Militia force which has been seen and used recently against people who protested against give him the ability to be President for Life.
    More details as to what you are specifically referring to, please.

    Since he gained power he has dismantled or taken control of anything that threatens his power.
    I don't exactly think that you can claim that "he" has taken control of it, as a lot of the nationalizations are dependent upon work on the grassroots level by workers, who have a very significant influence in Venezuelan politics nowadays. It is not simply "Chavez vs. freedom" as you would like to portray it; the situation is much more complex and broad based than that.

    He's a Dictator and will remain in power until killed or he dies naturally.
    See, HG? I told you someone would say the D word!

    Funny how a Far Right military man who tried to seize power in a bloody coup
    Chavez was never exactly far right; he was more of a Blanqui'ist.

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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, not one American voted for Obama, so maybe you're just not sure of who we are anymore.
    And this is why nobody really gives a **** about what you have to say around here.
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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by The Jovial One View Post
    I just couldn't believe you meant to type that.
    Trust me, in time you will see crap like this say to yourself "meh, business as usual for Scarecrow."

    Teh Stoopid is RIFE amongst our forum conservatives, it would seem.
    Only with a select group of them. We have a very intelligent lot of conservatives on this board who don't feel the need to talk down to you in order to make their arguments. Unfortunately you have met one of the "others."

    To be fair, we have some equally challenged liberals on this site. You'll meet them soon enough as well.

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    Trust me, in time you will see crap like this say to yourself "meh, business as usual for Scarecrow."
    It sort of makes me miss ToT. Ahh, the memories...

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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It sort of makes me miss ToT. Ahh, the memories...


    Dude, I can't get there from here! Although his clinical insanity was at times entertaining. His PM death threats always made my evening!

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    Re: Chavez seizes oil service firms

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No doubt the people like him, he's a populist but in terms of things like property rights you could draw a parallel of authoritarian rule with his seizure of private property.
    It depends on what kind of private property this is. Murray Rothbard suggested declaring a lot of property unowned because it "owners" were so dependent on the state. When these corporations abide by the common law idea of private property and get no state support then I'd care a lot more. It seems like switching one kind of centralised, socialism for another.
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