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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I never said it made me better. Try responding to what I write.

    I believe in not being a closed minded partisan hack who mostly focuses on irrelevancy and cares less about America then they do about winning. There. I said it. Does that make me better than those I rail against? No. But I will continue to rail against those sanctimonious jackasses as much as possible.
    Yes, but your position is that you hold a better view, and thus are justified in your railing against them.
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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I believe that different believe in things strongly, which is generally why people are on one side or another of an issue. The thing that bugs the crap out of me is when I see stupid stuff like the thread where Obama asked for Dijon mustard on his hamburger. The left used that episode to point out how in touch with the common man Obama is for ordering a hamburger. The right used the same event to show what an elitist Obama is for ordering a hamburger with Dijon mustard. I mean seriously, give me a ****ing break on this nonsense.

    Let's talk about the real issues that the Obama administration and the Dems in Congress are likely to foist upon us, and have foisted upon us, rather than on the inane and trivial.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, but your position is that you hold a better view, and thus are justified in your railing against them.
    No, my position is that I am justified in railing against them because I can. Free speech and all.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, I won't argue there are... extremist on both sides, but on this thread I find the... comments of CC about partisans to be more about stroking his own "Im not partisan" ego then about the issue at hand. Which, let us be honest here, is just as asinine as people talking about dijon and hamburgers.
    Pointing out hypocrisy and the foolishness of extremist views is not asinine...except to those that hold those extremist views.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, I won't argue there are... extremist on both sides, but on this thread I find the... comments of CC about partisans to be more about stroking his own "Im not partisan" ego then about the issue at hand. Which, let us be honest here, is just as asinine as people talking about dijon and hamburgers.
    If you mean the proposed budget and the invisible health care plan being funded by the budget, I disagree. I think it's a very important issue to discuss. If you mean the partisan issue, frankly, I'm just tired of the nonsense and distractions from the real issues.
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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, my position is that I am justified in railing against them because I can. Free speech and all.
    So your basis is merely that you can?

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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    If you mean the proposed budget and the invisible health care plan being funded by the budget, I disagree. I think it's a very important issue to discuss. If you mean the partisan issue, frankly, I'm just tired of the nonsense and distractions from the real issues.
    It's a very serious issue. Obama is going to push for a program that is going to cost upwards of 1,000,000,000,000.00 just to get started. How can anyone in their right mind believe that the cost will not end up being much higher?

    And it's really not justifiable to do.

    Is that hyper partisan CC? Hmm? Is that an "extremist" point of view?
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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    One other point...why would the President want to set aside $634 billion dollars in his proposed budget if he hasn't even formed a health care plan yet? How could he even arrive at a number if no plan exists? See? Something else worth discussing in this thread.
    At a guess, and this is just a guess, he had a skeletal outline of a plan, and this was the approximate amount that plan assumed. Any big plan will evolve over time. My big hope is that Obama takes the time needed to do things right, and rethinks his rush to do things like this. I agree health care reform is needed, I just don't think the next two years are the time to do it.

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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So your basis is merely that you can?

    Got it.
    No, I think I explained my reason and basis...both here and in many other threads. My ability is because I can. I do not shut down discussions; I confront them. If you do not like that I confront folks on this, too bad. It isn't going to change.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Upfront costs complicate Obama’s health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's a very serious issue. Obama is going to push for a program that is going to cost upwards of 1,000,000,000,000.00 just to get started. How can anyone in their right mind believe that the cost will not end up being much higher?

    And it's really not justifiable to do.
    I agree, and since no plan has been publicly proposed, why is funding being requested in the budget? I'm afraid this will end up like most government programs and cost 10x as much as projected, and provide 1/4 of what was promised. Any plan needs to be presented to the public and debated forthwith.
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