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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well as long as you remember we Brits managed to keep the Germans at bay ourselves.

    We've been invaded by Frenchmen, Norsemen and even Dutchmen but I think we draw the line at Germans.
    When did the dutch invade you?

    And I agree that the Brits did keep the germans at bay and they did so admirably. I believe, however, that if the US hadn't entered the war at Japan's "request", that Germany would have finished securing Europe and would have eventually come back stronger, wearing GB down. I also often wonder what would have happened even with us in the war if Germany hadn't tried to march on Moscow in the winter.

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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    When did the dutch invade you?
    William of Orange. We like to remember it as him being invited but he had already decided and was making preparations to invade and he was only invited by a few MPs.

    And I agree that the Brits did keep the germans at bay and they did so admirably. I believe, however, that if the US hadn't entered the war at Japan's "request", that Germany would have finished securing Europe and would have eventually come back stronger, wearing GB down. I also often wonder what would have happened even with us in the war if Germany hadn't tried to march on Moscow in the winter.
    I think that seeing as they'd already begun the Russian adventure they would have been worn down themselves and eventually collapsed. But that is of course speculation.
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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well as long as you remember we Brits managed to keep the Germans at bay ourselves.

    We've been invaded by Frenchmen, Norsemen and even Dutchmen but I think we draw the line at Germans.
    I also happen to remember the USA helping to basically create the logistics for the army that tried to take Finlands sovereignty and also arm them to a degree Darn those Americans and their freedom hating ways!

    I kid, I kid. Though considering the nuances of what my grandfather went through, the "if it wasn't for us, you'd be speaking German!" argument does bring out a few chuckles.
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    In the real world, politics is compromise and democracy is politics. Anyone who would be a statesman has to be a successful politician first. Also, a leader has to deal with people and nations as they are, not as they should be. As a result, the qualities required for leadership are not necessary those that we would want our children to emulate - unless we wanted them to be leaders.

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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Quote Originally Posted by 7thKeeper View Post
    I also happen to remember the USA helping to basically create the logistics for the army that tried to take Finlands sovereignty and also arm them to a degree Darn those Americans and their freedom hating ways!
    I think Russia would have been alright anyway, they had so many men and once they'd got all their factories up behind the Urals they would have been hard for the Germans to master. Of course if Stalin had realised what was about to happen, and the signs were there, the Germans might not have got as far east as they did. And then of course there is the fact he'd killed off his best commanders.
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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Another question, related to my original question: What causes nations to be unhappy, aside from the obvious ones like war and crushing poverty?

    Eastern European nations (mainly Russia, the Baltic states, and the former Soviet satellites) are among the most miserable places on the planet...even though the countries are middle to upper-middle income, and their governments (while not the greatest) are far from the worst in the world. What do you think it is about these places that makes people so unhappy, compared to people nearly everywhere else?
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    Re: World's Happiest Places

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Another question, related to my original question: What causes nations to be unhappy, aside from the obvious ones like war and crushing poverty?

    Eastern European nations (mainly Russia, the Baltic states, and the former Soviet satellites) are among the most miserable places on the planet...even though the countries are middle to upper-middle income, and their governments (while not the greatest) are far from the worst in the world. What do you think it is about these places that makes people so unhappy, compared to people nearly everywhere else?
    I think when you have a population that has no incentive to better itself because there is no real social reward for doing so, sedentary classes begin to show angst. Also, in a lot of those eastern european nations (romania comes to mind immediately), their cultures were ravished by collectivist attitudes that crushed any national pride. Which is the exact opposite of what their governments were trying to accomplish.

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