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    UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    UN warns of disaster in Pakistan
    May 09, 2009
    Rick Westhead

    ISLAMABAD A humanitarian crisis is unfolding in northwest Pakistan, aid agencies warn, as the country's military continues its vigorous assault on Taliban militants, leaving hundreds of thousands of civilians caught in the crossfire, struggling to get to the safety of refugee camps.

    United Nations officials said as many as 200,000 people have fled their homes and another 300,000 may be forced to move. A UN spokesperson said 11 refugee camps supported by various aid agencies have been constructed in recent weeks and more are planned.
    Source: The Toronto Star

    I watched a lengthy report yesterday by the BBC filmed on location. Aid agencies estimate that 500,000 Pakistani's have now fled the fighting in the Swat region. The battles between government forces and the Taliban are intense and the destruction is heavy. Towns and roads are littered with burning vehicles and local structures bear abundant evidence of heavy caliber weapons fire.

    It seems like the Pakistani government has finally realized that it must either eliminate its own creation... or be devoured by it.

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Well prehaps if the UN wants to avoid a humanitarian crisis, they should do more than simply set up tents.

    How about locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and manuever, and repel the enemy's assault by fire and close combat. For starters.
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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Well prehaps if the UN wants to avoid a humanitarian crisis, they should do more than simply set up tents.

    How about locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and manuever, and repel the enemy's assault by fire and close combat. For starters.
    Ummm...........

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Well prehaps if the UN wants to avoid a humanitarian crisis, they should do more than simply set up tents.

    How about locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and manuever, and repel the enemy's assault by fire and close combat. For starters.
    You expect the UN to send its "peacekeepers" into harms way?

    The same UN that ordered peacekeeping troops to stand aside and watch--literally watch--the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Rwandans, the same UN that abandoned Srebrenica and Potocari to ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, is the UN you now expect to stand up to the Taliban and actually fight?

    Reality check: the UN only talks about peace and peacekeeping. They never take any real action on the concept. (that's what they have the US for)

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You expect the UN to send its "peacekeepers" into harms way?

    The same UN that ordered peacekeeping troops to stand aside and watch--literally watch--the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Rwandans, the same UN that abandoned Srebrenica and Potocari to ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, is the UN you now expect to stand up to the Taliban and actually fight?

    Reality check: the UN only talks about peace and peacekeeping. They never take any real action on the concept. (that's what they have the US for)
    Thats what I said they should do, not what I think they will do.

    If I were to put money on what they will do, it will be to work with various agencies to set up camps for people fleeing(which they are doing), send a team of people to "investigate" the humanitarian crisis, and write a letter of condemnation, prehaps at the Pakistani government for not doing enough.

    Basically they will do everything short of doing anything that would prevent the humanitarian crisis from spreading.
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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Pakistan needs to get off it's horse and request U.S. firepower. And then we need to provide it. I'll not hold my breath for the U.N. to do one damn thing in order to facilitate the defeat of the Taliban in Pakistan. It will be up to Pakistan, the U.S., and possibly the U.K.

    The very fact that Pakistani nuclear weapons could be lost to Taliban forces should have us pre-positioning a strike force on the border with the mission of moving in and engaging the Taliban rapidly and with extreme prejudice once ordered to do so. Regional air assets should be built up and we should be ready to completely destroy this enemy without mercy.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Thats what I said they should do, not what I think they will do.

    If I were to put money on what they will do, it will be to work with various agencies to set up camps for people fleeing(which they are doing), send a team of people to "investigate" the humanitarian crisis, and write a letter of condemnation, prehaps at the Pakistani government for not doing enough.

    Basically they will do everything short of doing anything that would prevent the humanitarian crisis from spreading.
    You forgot the most significant things the UN is going to do:

    1) Blame the United States.

    2) Ask the United States for more money.

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Pakistan needs to get off it's horse and request U.S. firepower. And then we need to provide it. I'll not hold my breath for the U.N. to do one damn thing in order to facilitate the defeat of the Taliban in Pakistan. It will be up to Pakistan, the U.S., and possibly the U.K.

    The very fact that Pakistani nuclear weapons could be lost to Taliban forces should have us pre-positioning a strike force on the border with the mission of moving in and engaging the Taliban rapidly and with extreme prejudice once ordered to do so. Regional air assets should be built up and we should be ready to completely destroy this enemy without mercy.
    No. Pakistan has to request the US military to take over the fight. No damn reason we should follow their command.

    And the US should say...okay, hand over all your nuclear materials, and then we'll help.

    They don't give us their nukes, they get to suffer on their own. And when the Taliban overruns Pakistan's nuclear shoebox, we send in a mission to kill them and seize the assets.

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    You expect Pakistan to risk alot over the demands of an ally that is already in the process of running out on another ally?

    Are you joking?


    Both our allies and our enemies have seen how easily the Democrats break..with them in power now the enemy holds the initiative.
    'We' threw it away.



    UN? ..whatever...

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    Re: UN warns of disaster in Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. Pakistan has to request the US military to take over the fight. No damn reason we should follow their command.

    And the US should say...okay, hand over all your nuclear materials, and then we'll help.

    They don't give us their nukes, they get to suffer on their own. And when the Taliban overruns Pakistan's nuclear shoebox, we send in a mission to kill them and seize the assets.
    One problem. No one really has a clear idea of where the nukes are stored.

    The Pakistani army is quite able to take the Taliban on head to head. The problem is that Pakistan is understandably reluctant to leave its border with India undefended.

    The US should do several things on both the diplomatic and military fronts:

    1. Remind India that the brand of Islamic fundamentalism promoted by the Taliban is as much of a threat to India as any place else, and if Islamabad falls to the Taliban New Delhi is going to be in the crosshairs pretty damn quickly. It would be in their best interests to stand down their military in Kashmir and along the Pakistani border, contingent upon the Pakistanis redeploying those troops towards the Swat valley.
    2. Make aerial drones to Pakistan for strikes in the Swat valley against Taliban targets.
    3. Interdict lines of supply into Pakistan from the Afghani frontier.


    The peoples of the Afghan/Pakistani frontier are a tribal people, and a warrior people. They gravitate to strength, and are wooed by victory. If a coalition of Pakistani and US military might can flex some muscle in a persuasive way, the Taliban will crumble.

    The perpetual challenge of the Taliban has been that, religion aside, they are the most focused and disciplined group seeking power in the region. The solution to the Taliban will be finding and supporting local leaders who can match the Taliban in intensity and determination.

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