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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    Can you produce the law that said waterboarding was illegal at the time it was used? Thanks in advance.
    That's funny. Seems like we dealt with this a few pages back. Simply using the justice department to make a legal opinion that waterboarding is not torture but rather, enhanced interrogation techniques, doesn't make it legal. Waterboarding was considered torture before and after lil shrubs admin and torture is illegal, therefore waterboarding is illegal. Basically they created a loop hole in order to do something illegal.

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Basically they created a loop hole in order to do something illegal.
    If they created a loophole, then it was legal. That's the nature of loopholes.

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Slippery simply doesn't comprehend that proving a criminal case is about facts and not labels.

    There are specific elements to a crime.

    You have to prove each one with the specific facts of the case.

    That "waterboarding" was supposedly found to be "torture" at some other point in the past does not mean that the specific facts of the case at hand fulfill the elements of the crime. It only means that the facts of past cases fit the elements of the crime on that day in the past.

    And no amount of angry, forceful bluster changes that. Wind is just wind.
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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Slippery simply doesn't comprehend that proving a criminal case is about facts and not labels.

    There are specific elements to a crime.

    You have to prove each one with the specific facts of the case.

    That "waterboarding" was supposedly found to be "torture" at some other point in the past does not mean that the specific facts of the case at hand fulfill the elements of the crime. It only means that the facts of past cases fit the elements of the crime on that day in the past.

    And no amount of angry, forceful bluster changes that. Wind is just wind.
    How utterly ridiculous. As was shown in a previous analogy, a government official cannot simply change a law or an aspect of the law so that they can do something normally considered illegal. A governor, for example, can't have his legal team put together a legal opinion that says, stabbing someone to death with a pencil is not really murder because a pencil is a writing tool. Then stab someone to death with a pencil and claim they are not guilty of murder because they used a pencil.

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