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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Now she's lying harder..

    "They mislead us all the time," she said. And when a reporter asked whether the agency(CIA) had lied, Pelosi said "yes".
    My Way News - Pelosi says she learned of waterboarding in 2003

    I picked that line out of her new spin around the BS tree routine simply because it is the most stark and pathetic lie she has told yet.

    If she remains Speaker......
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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Have a link? (thought not)
    The Torture Ban that Doesn't Ban Torture: Obama's Rules Keep It Intact, and Could Even Accord With an Increase in US-Sponsored Torture Worldwide.


    "Many Americans, to their credit, hate torture. The Bush/Cheney escapade exposed that.

    But to stop it they must get the facts and see that Obama's ban does not stop it, and indeed could even accord with an increase in US-sponsored torture crime."

    Obama Didn’t Ban Torture

    "Obama and members of the press pretend that a step in the right direction is sufficient to fully address years of systematic human rights violations, or at least preferable to an actual public inquiry or criminal prosecution. The illusory ban is set up to take the place of actual enforcement and accountability, as though agreeing to follow the laws means the president has actually worked to changed them. This decision is couched in vague aphorisms of moving forward and stresses the importance avoiding division. But there is very little actual progress here, and it is difficult to imagine how this decision unifies the country when the majority of American support some form of investigation. Furthermore, enforcing our laws is not discretionary but a duty of the office. The President has the opportunity to protect these CIA agents and contractors through presidential pardon if he feels it just or necessary for the national well-being. Obstruction of justice is not a legitimate means towards that end."

    Did President Obama Ban Torture?

    ""The institutions of the Imperial Executive remain intact," writes William N. Grigg — The Torture State Endures. Tha author notes that "all Obama's executive order has done is to suspend the CIA's use of patently illegal torture techniques and to move 'expeditiously' to close down illegal torture facilities -- pending the announcement of new policies on these matters by a special panel that won't report its findings for at least six months.""


    The Torture State Endures

    "A "process," as the term is understood in Washington, will almost always result in the qualified institutionalization of something previously considered unthinkable."



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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Now she's lying harder..


    My Way News - Pelosi says she learned of waterboarding in 2003

    I picked that line out of her new spin around the BS tree routine simply because it is the most stark and pathetic lie she has told yet.

    If she remains Speaker......
    Oh man, you must really be pissed at Cheney and Bush for starting this whole torture mess.

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Now she's lying harder..


    My Way News - Pelosi says she learned of waterboarding in 2003

    I picked that line out of her new spin around the BS tree routine simply because it is the most stark and pathetic lie she has told yet.

    If she remains Speaker......
    So are you saying that Water boarding is illegal and torture? Just trying to get a fix on your outrage to see if it is feigned or legitimate.

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Your link is meaningless. Show me (from a reputable source) where Obama says or is quoted as saying) we MAY use torture again in the future. That is what your alledging so show us a link.

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oh man, you must really be pissed at Cheney and Bush for starting this whole torture mess.
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So are you saying that Water boarding is illegal and torture? Just trying to get a fix on your outrage to see if it is feigned or legitimate.

    You are both doing exactly what she is doing..dodging the subject at hand because neither you nor her have any defense for her over, obvious, documented lies

    This is about her actions(lies) in the past few weeks. It is not about the acts she is lying about.

    You're not trying to get any 'fix' on anything you're trying to change the focus of the thread because you're unable to put up any better defense of her actions then she is.

    So blame Bush..
    Blame the CIA.
    Blame Santa Claus.
    Or my favorite support her claims to being a blithering idiot.."I was misled"
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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    You are doing exactly what she is doing..dodging the subject at hand because neither you nor her have any defense for her over, obvious, documented lies

    This is about her actions(lies) in the past few weeks. It is not about the acts she is lying about.
    I am defending noone. However, you are defending Bush and everyone else that agreed to the same thing.

    So, let's here the answer from you.

    Is waterboarding torture and should those that accepted it be brought to justice including Pelosi, Bush, Cheney, Etc?

    Will you answer that question?

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Tell you Repubs what........You can have Pelosi's head & we'll take Bush & Cheney's heads.( Pelosi for not impeaching Bush or stopping the Iraq war funding & Bush & Cheney for being the hypocritical, cowardly MONSTERS they will go down in history as.

    Do we have a deal?

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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Your link is meaningless. Show me (from a reputable source) where Obama says or is quoted as saying) we MAY use torture again in the future. That is what your alledging so show us a link.
    I am alleging our fearless leader is once again engaging in perpetuating a theatrical exercise utilizing the press in which the masses are convinced of something simply untrue. The subject matter really doesnt matter to me insomuch as the constant lying about it.


    Loophole 1: Torture is prohibited only of persons detained in an “armed conflict.”

    Loophole 2: Only the CIA must close detention centers.

    Loophole 3: Officials may still hide some detainees and abusive practices from the Red Cross.

    Loophole 4: Abuses not labeled “torture” may continue.

    Conclusion
    "Torture by US officials has long been illegal, but the president’s executive order entitled “Ensuring Lawful Interrogations” seems to clarify, to some extent, what activities are proscribed. Disappointingly, though, this order contains loopholes big enough to drive a FEMA camp train through them."


    "The loopholes in President Obama’s executive order on torture may permit cruel abuses of prisoners to continue, using a legal parlor trick. Labeling detainees the product of counterterrorism operations rather than of armed conflict, or holding detainees in detention facilities operated by entities other than the CIA, may allow government agents and private contractors conforming to the letter of the president’s order to continue practices most would consider torture. The president should close these loopholes or explain to Americans why he won’t."

    [1] ACLU Press Release: President Obama Orders Guantánamo Closed And End To Torture; at
    American Civil Liberties Union : President Obama Orders Guantánamo Closed And End To Torture

    [2] See: Andy Worthington: The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 759 Detainees in America 's Illegal Prison. Pluto Press, 2007; and: Jeffery Rosen: Voices of Victims (a review of My Guantanamo Diary: The Detainees and the Stories They Told Me, by Mahvish Rukhsana Khan). The New York Times, August 10, 2008, at http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/bo...n-t.html?fta=y

    [3] Gina Cavallaro: Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1. Army Times, September 30, 2008, at
    http//www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w

    Obama’s Torture Loopholes

    Its possible I simply do not accurately gauge your position.
    I supposed its Obama is making a firm stance against torture.
    My position is Obama is making an appearance of a firm stance against torture.

    The executive order and the eww ACLU support my position.
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    Re: CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Oh man, you must really be pissed at Cheney and Bush for starting this whole torture mess.
    Speaking of starting a mess -- when are you going to defend this position?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058026112

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