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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

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    Looks like you used your gun to create a self-inflicted wound.
    On the contrary, I'm not a Republican. So your statement is patently invalid.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't buy the "they'll do it anyway" failed line of thinking. My wife now? Was 24 when we met, and a virgin.

    Abstinence requires PERSONAL INTEGRITY. Any dog can hump, a mature human knows how to control themselves.

    You all pushing to end Abstinence education... you have very little faith in people, I believe we CAN do better, but not by giving up. You all have given up.

    Teenagers are not mature people.

    You want to compare a 35 year old to a 15 year old? This is about the immature, hormone raging teenagers.


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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    And how would they KNOW about safe sex is they were ONLY taught abstinence? How would you even know about a condom? Your peers? Well what if your peers also told you that drinking gatorade before hand prevents pregnancy's too? How would your know that wasn't true if nobody of authority ever taught your the difference? You want the gov't to stop teaching sex ed completely and leave it all to the parents?

    Guess what, nothing is currently stopping ANY parent from teaching their children anything they want about sex but they aren't doing it. What on earth makes you think that they will all of a sudden start just because the gov't cuts it in school? Don't you know the kind of myths and ignorance that was rampant during the 40's about sex? Nobody taught them.

    Thank you, Indy. This is exactly where I'm coming from too.



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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sub-Saharan African nations have few (if any) social programs, and abortion is illegal or largely unavailable in most of Africa. Yet the birth rates are sky-high. Hmm.
    Hmmmm....subsaharan africa isn't a modern industrialized society.

    Look instead, if you were going to be honest, not that we expect that much, to the 1950's in America, where girls said "no". Gee, teen pregnancy wasn't such a huge problem then, why is it now? Are today's girls more stupid?

    Oh, that's right. In the fifties, the children grew up in a culture where being sluttish wan't just a fashion statement, it wasn't accepted at all by their parents.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    I would say that today's parents are too damn lazy, too damn self-centered, and they've created spoiled little monsters who are even worse than they are.

    The parents have to actually spend time with their children, and (gasp!) talk to them, and by that I mean in spurts somewhat longer than the commercial breaks on American Idol. Not only that...the parents have to set an example of how to live.......oh, crap, that can't work, can't expect the parents to go out of their way or anything, hell, let's have total strangers be robbed of their hard earned money so parents too damn lazy to do the right thing by their own children don't have to be bothered with their unwanted grandchildren, right? Isn't this what the socially negligent gimmenow liberal masters of America want? Don't they always say "don't worry, your government nanny will fix things, just hand over your money"? Hmmmm....

    What's the consequence of the government once again refusing to do what the Constitution doesn't allow it to do?

    Well, well, knocked up females don't get "their" check. More importantly, females not yet knocked up would no longer have that check to count on. Don't say it wouldn't have an effect, there's a world of difference between "not much money", and no damn money at all. Knees would be slamming shut all over America if the free knocked up money was turned off. Hopefully the guys will get out of the way in time, because Extenz won't help their situation.

    What else would happen if the government said, "yo! Parents of young sluts! it's your grandkid, we're either going to be hitting you with full child support bills or not helping you at all"? Well, there'd be some serious talks about "get on the damn pill, bitch", between momma and the young slut. And since the paternal grandparents would be sharing that bill, fathers would be telling their teen boys stories about the glory of past presidents, or, as some would say, What's a Lewinsky. That, and "tie a knot in it, kid".

    Remember, with DNA, paternity isn't a question of "if" anymore.

    Yeah, there's no real need to teach abstinence. Simply start restoring a sense of personal responsibility to the American cultural, by making the persons responsible for creating a baby to be responsible for that child.

    I fail to see how the elitists expect to have a country left to rule and rape if they succeed in their goal of creating a country comprised of nothing but overgrown children.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hmmmm....subsaharan africa isn't a modern industrialized society.

    Look instead, if you were going to be honest, not that we expect that much, to the 1950's in America, where girls said "no". Gee, teen pregnancy wasn't such a huge problem then, why is it now? Are today's girls more stupid?

    Oh, that's right. In the fifties, the children grew up in a culture where being sluttish wan't just a fashion statement, it wasn't accepted at all by their parents.
    Sorry Scarecrow, but Leave It To Beaver was not a documentary. The teen birth rate has DECLINED considerably since the 1950s.


    Teen Pregnancy: Trends And Lessons Learned
    Source: National Center for Health Statistics, "Births to Teenagers in the United States, 1940-2000," National Vital Statistics Report, 2001, Vol. 49, No. 10.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sorry Scarecrow, but Leave It To Beaver was not a documentary. The teen birth rate has DECLINED considerably since the 1950s.


    Teen Pregnancy: Trends And Lessons Learned
    Source: National Center for Health Statistics, "Births to Teenagers in the United States, 1940-2000," National Vital Statistics Report, 2001, Vol. 49, No. 10.
    Wow. Babies were allowed to be born in 1950, and YOU'RE claiming victory because today's society KILLS them instead?

    Oh, and gee...look....of the 90 teens that in the fifties that were pregnant, only ...ummm....14% were unmarried...that means...13 girls were unwed and knocked up....let's see..

    ,,,,in 2000, there were 49 teens pregnant, and 80% of those were unmarried, meaning 39, or ...let's see..

    39/13 = 3 Wow. Today's policies led to a 300% increase in unwed teen pregnancies.

    Let me guess, you found two pretty pictures, didn't understand the funky ones with the lines, but were impressed with the fat guys, so you posted them both, not realizing that for some of us, not you, numbers aren't strangers.

    You're happy over a 300% increase in unwed pregnancies. Great.


    Oh. And the curve represents "birthrate", so the number of unwanted pregnancies is vastly greater when one considers that in the 1950's people couldn't rush out and murder their little problems before they were born. How many teen abortions were performed in 2000, do you think? The figure overall for annual abortions is near a million, right? How does that break down to teens/1000?
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sorry Scarecrow, but Leave It To Beaver was not a documentary. The teen birth rate has DECLINED considerably since the 1950s.


    Teen Pregnancy: Trends And Lessons Learned
    Source: National Center for Health Statistics, "Births to Teenagers in the United States, 1940-2000," National Vital Statistics Report, 2001, Vol. 49, No. 10.

    Every statistic I have seen on the matter points to a dramatic increase in teen births since the 1960s.

    2008 Indicators of Welfare Dependence: Predictors and Risk Factors Associated with Welfare Receipt
    Nonmarital Births:


    For unmarried teens ages 15-19:


    Of course, this is to say nothing of rising abortion rates, which by nature lower birth rates.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

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    I laughed my ass off when I saw this. +1 to you for making my night!
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Wow. Babies were allowed to be born in 1950, and YOU'RE claiming victory because today's society KILLS them instead?

    Oh, and gee...look....of the 90 teens that in the fifties that were pregnant, only ...ummm....14% were unmarried...that means...13 girls were unwed and knocked up....let's see..

    ,,,,in 2000, there were 49 teens pregnant, and 80% of those were unmarried, meaning 39, or ...let's see..

    39/13 = 3 Wow. Today's policies led to a 300% increase in unwed teen pregnancies.

    Let me guess, you found two pretty pictures, didn't understand the funky ones with the lines, but were impressed with the fat guys, so you posted them both, not realizing that for some of us, not you, numbers aren't strangers.

    You're happy over a 300% increase in unwed pregnancies. Great.


    Oh. And the curve represents "birthrate", so the number of unwanted pregnancies is vastly greater when one considers that in the 1950's people couldn't rush out and murder their little problems before they were born. How many teen abortions were performed in 2000, do you think? The figure overall for annual abortions is near a million, right? How does that break down to teens/1000?
    Wait, this was my initial reaction when I first looked at the data too. But then I realized that the age range for the data was 15-19!!! Jesus Christ! Only 10% of girls over the age of 19 were unmarried?!? And some were in the age range of 15! How on earth could that be a good thing? I fully support the lowered teenage pregnancies and to hell with the higher rate of unwed mothers. To me the damage of forcing that many young teenagers into marriage just to avoid the shame of having a child out of wedlock is ridiculous and is drastically worse than the impact the unwed mothers will have on society.
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