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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    With all the societal messages from people like yourself saying "go ahead, just be safe about it?"

    I was a virgin till I met my first wife and got married. I had parents that stressed the dangers, while handing me boxes of condoms. Guess what, if they had left it at "just have sex, be safe" I might have made a big mistake.


    Abstinence education needs responsible adults/parents not enabling "friends".
    And the bolded part of your comments explains EXACTLY why GOVERNMENT SPENDING of abstinence only policies does not work and should be eliminated.

    It belongs with the responsibility of the parents, not the government.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Abstinence requires PERSONAL INTEGRITY. Any dog can hump, a mature human knows how to control themselves.
    And how did GOVERNMENT SPENDING on abstinence only education give you that "personal integrity" to control yourself?

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And how did GOVERNMENT SPENDING on abstinence only education give you that "personal integrity" to control yourself?
    Some kids don't listen to their parents. Duhhhh. Why do we have sex ed in the first place? Do you think maybe their parents might know something about sex?
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've always been amazed at people that do not support the one proven method birth control and STD spreading.

    OH THAT'S right, because it requires people to use "self restraint" and they get held "responsible" for their actions.

    Something the above posters seem to have an allergic reaction to.
    Just thought this would be interesting for you to read. Maybe if you educated yourself about the fact that abstinence only education doesn't work at all then you would change your opinion and we could all be happy. Yes, abstinence is the only 100% way of preventing teenage births and std's but there has been nothing ANYBODY has found that will convince teenagers to do so. So the only alternative is the teach the other options which are 99% efficient. It isn't a shocker that the New England states have the lowest teenage birth rates.

    Mississippi now has highest teen birth rate

    Mississippi now has the nation’s highest teen birth rate, displacing Texas and New Mexico for that lamentable title, a new federal report says.

    Mississippi’s rate was more than 60 percent higher than the national average in 2006, according to new state statistics released Wednesday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The teen birth rate for that year in Texas and New Mexico was more than 50 percent higher.

    The three states have large proportions of black and Hispanic teenagers — groups that traditionally have higher birth rates, experts noted.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Once you're 18 I don't give a damn what you do. You're old enough to make the decision and SHOULD be smart enough to decide, and to actually PRACTICE safe sex.


    15 year old males are notoriously bad about condom use.
    And how would they KNOW about safe sex is they were ONLY taught abstinence? How would you even know about a condom? Your peers? Well what if your peers also told you that drinking gatorade before hand prevents pregnancy's too? How would your know that wasn't true if nobody of authority ever taught your the difference? You want the gov't to stop teaching sex ed completely and leave it all to the parents? Guess what, nothing is currently stopping ANY parent from teaching their children anything they want about sex but they aren't doing it. What on earth makes you think that they will all of a sudden start just because the gov't cuts it in school? Don't you know the kind of myths and ignorance that was rampant during the 40's about sex? Nobody taught them.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Some kids don't listen to their parents. Duhhhh.
    Then telling people "z0mg just don't have sex" is retarded and counterproductive, because it misleads people about the effectiveness of birth control when they do decide to have sex.

    Quote Originally Posted by American
    Why do we have sex ed in the first place?
    Because it's cheaper to pay for sex education than for the government to pay for unwanted kids for 18 years (or longer), including medicaid, public education, food stamps, unemployment, and prison cells.

    Quote Originally Posted by American
    Do you think maybe their parents might know something about sex?
    Just because the school teaches you something doesn't mean that your parents can't ALSO teach you something about it, if they are familiar with the subject area.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then telling people "z0mg just don't have sex" is retarded and counterproductive, because it misleads people about the effectiveness of birth control when they do decide to have sex.
    Huh?


    Because it's cheaper to pay for sex education than for the government to pay for unwanted kids for 18 years (or longer), including medicaid, public education, food stamps, unemployment, and prison cells.
    So we don't have many unwanted kids? I wonder what all the hubub over abortion was about for all these years.

    Just because the school teaches you something doesn't mean that your parents can't ALSO teach you something about it, if they are familiar with the subject area.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    I used to have no opinion on sex education but after reading Vision of the Annointed by Thomas Sowell I'm beginning to think maybe we should end all funding to all sex education altogether. Statistics seem to show that the more schools tell children how not to get pregnant, the more teen pregnancies there are. Kind of like drugs. Really, I'm not sure it's wise for a school to tell anyone how to live; kids hate school, why should they listen to it. Maybe we should leave that kind of stuff to the parents.

    That said, sex ed in Virginia gives very mixed messages. "Don't have sex! Wear a condom during sex!"
    Last edited by Dav; 05-08-09 at 06:40 PM.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    When people argue over whether or not teens are "just going to do it anyway," they're missing the point.

    Teenagers do listen to their parents and other trusted adults, as long as these adults treat them respectfully and don't break their trust by hiding information from them.

    That being said, the reason that abstinence only education fails at reducing or delaying sexual activity (not to mention pregnancy, abortion, or STDs), is that teens don't listen to state mandated propaganda. Teenagers are smarter than they're given credit for, and know when adults are trying to manipulate them.

    Rathi nailed the issue on the head when he said "The real problem with the issue that the abstinence only crowd is more interested in pushing abstinence because of moral beliefs than protecting teenagers. The whole health issue is just an excuse." Teenages know this, and they react by not listening.

    Thats why comprehensive sex education (which includes abstinence education) not only reduces the rates of pregnancy, abortion, and STDs, but also is effective in delaying sexual activity.

    When teenagers know that the adults around them are being honest with them, they're much more likely to listen.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Liberals promote irresponsibility.
    No question. The Liberal Republican Congress and Liberal President that was Bush pushed such irresponsible programs and funding. It is irresponsible to provide factually untrue information as well as omit vital information to our children to allow them to make good decisions. Their irresponsibility stems from the utter incompetence in the abstinence only programs pushed by the Liberal Republican party in the last decade.

    By all means, the liberals in Congress and the White House have passed on their irresponsible nature to the nation's children by funding what amounts to programs of lies.
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