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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    15 year old males are notoriously bad about condom use.
    And we will make this better by telling them not to have sex at all. Yeah. Sure. That will fix it.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It has been proven for centuries that if you do not have sex you will not get pregnant/get a woman pregnant nor will you get a sexually transmitted disease.

    Abstinence is the only one-hundred percent effective means of birth control--no one who uses it ever has an unplanned pregnancy.

    If you want to argue otherwise, I would suggest taking a refresher course in basic biology.
    The funny thing is, you clearly haven't read the thread yet you're tossing out insults like you understand what we are talking about. What I responded to was Mr. V's argument that the programs worked. If you want to argue otherwise, I suggest taking refresher course in English comprehension not to mention statistical methods. The programs do not work. Furthermore, I did agree with him that the concept is largely fool proof (you can get STDs without sex).
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This issue is being confused. Abstinence-ONLY sex education is a failed program and provides no information on STD's or contraceptive use. This limits important information. Abstinence is 100% effective, but that's NOT what we are discussing; we are discussing abstinence-ONLY education. And the fact that abstinence is 100% effective doesn't change the fact that information about STD's and contraceptives is critical for those who do not abstain.
    Interestingly enough, the side that is confusing the two is generally the side that sticks together. Ignorance is a flock of birds? That doesn't quite have a nice ring to it. I pointed out what you said earlier and I was largely ignored.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Interestingly enough, the side that is confusing the two is generally the side that sticks together. Ignorance is a flock of birds? That doesn't quite have a nice ring to it. I pointed out what you said earlier and I was largely ignored.
    I know you did. I reiterated it in the hope that it might take root. What some folks don't get is that this is not an argument about abstinence, it is an argument about abstinence-ONLY.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    The reason abstinence education failed is a very simple equation for determining the optimum safety for teenagers dealing with sex. The equation is this: % chance that the method will stop unwanted pregnancy/std *% chance that the person can be convinced to adopt such method in the real world. Abstinence is great in first area but terrible in the second. Condoms are only a tiny bit worse in the first area, and much better in the second.

    The real problem with the issue that the abstinence only crowd is more interested in pushing abstinence because of moral beliefs than protecting teenagers. The whole health issue is just an excuse.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The reason abstinence education failed is a very simple equation for determining the optimum safety for teenagers dealing with sex. The equation is this: % chance that the method will stop unwanted pregnancy/std *% chance that the person can be convinced to adopt such method in the real world. Abstinence is great in first area but terrible in the second. Condoms are only a tiny bit worse in the first area, and much better in the second.

    The real problem with the issue that the abstinence only crowd is more interested in pushing abstinence because of moral beliefs than protecting teenagers. The whole health issue is just an excuse.
    In bold. In my experience, I have not seen this statement to be incorrect, at all.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've always been amazed at people that do not support the one proven method birth control and STD spreading.

    OH THAT'S right, because it requires people to use "self restraint" and they get held "responsible" for their actions.

    Something the above posters seem to have an allergic reaction to.
    Do you genuinely believe that if kids are taught abstinence and only abstinence, that they will, in fact, be abstinent. Why don't you take a look at...say....Bristol Palin! The daughter of the MOTHER who believes in abstinence only programs. Oh, that worked wonders for her, didn't it?


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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hey OC, WHEN practiced, it works 100% of the time.

    Enabling adults that push "have sex, use a condom"... you're the reason it fails.
    Please see my post above about BRISTOL PALIN.

    Tell us again about how preaching abstinence works.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why create strawmen? Either way Article 1, Section 8. I'm pretty sure ensuring that the U.S. population has some sort of knowledge about STDs and unwanted pregnancies falls within providing for the welfare of the United States.
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    I like your reasoning. Have you ever considered applying for SCOTUS? You'd make the perfect liberal judge.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've always been amazed at people that do not support the one proven method birth control and STD spreading.

    OH THAT'S right, because it requires people to use "self restraint" and they get held "responsible" for their actions.

    Something the above posters seem to have an allergic reaction to.
    Liberals promote irresponsibility.
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