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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hey OC, WHEN practiced, it works 100% of the time.

    Enabling adults that push "have sex, use a condom"... you're the reason it fails.
    Oh yes Im at fault because me and my current girlfriend of two years have sex on a regular basis and decide to use protection both myself and her.


    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't buy the "they'll do it anyway" failed line of thinking. My wife now? Was 24 when we met, and a virgin.

    Abstinence requires PERSONAL INTEGRITY. Any dog can hump, a mature human knows how to control themselves.

    You all pushing to end Abstinence education... you have very little faith in people, I believe we CAN do better, but not by giving up. You all have given up.
    Heres a bright idea:

    Cut all sex education funding period and let PARENTS do some damm parenting.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Oh yes Im at fault because me and my current girlfriend of two years have sex on a regular basis and decide to use protection both myself and her.
    That's your decision, and you are how old?



    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Heres a bright idea:

    Cut all sex education funding period and let PARENTS do some damm parenting.
    I'd support that. I'm very much against parents giving the Government control
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is in the interest of the federal government to push for sex education.
    It is? When was the Constitution amended to allow federal spending on education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In the long run it A) reduces the number of people who end up needing medical treatment for STDs and can't afford it(usually minorities)
    When was the Constitution amended to authorize the federal government to pay for health care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    and B) unwanted pregnancies.
    The pregnancy must have been wanted, they had sex, didn't they? Weren't they aware of the consequences of the horizontal bop? If she didn't want to get pregnant, why did she have unprotected sex? If he didn't want her knocked up, what was he doing in her?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is not a states issue.
    Actually, you should read the Tenth Amendment someday. A state's issue is exactly what education is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It costs the government more to take care of an unwanted kid that it does to teach kids not to have sex without protection.
    This conclusion is not related to your prior sentence. Also, who said the government (that means taxpayers who know how to not get knocked up) has to finance unwanted kids? Unwanted kids almost always have parents kicking around, and grand-parents that can be dunned for the costs, too. I've no idea why you people think strangers should bear the burden.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's your decision, and you are how old?
    If you must know Im 24
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    If you must know Im 24
    Once you're 18 I don't give a damn what you do. You're old enough to make the decision and SHOULD be smart enough to decide, and to actually PRACTICE safe sex.


    15 year old males are notoriously bad about condom use.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Say what?

    Can you define "proven?"
    It has been proven for centuries that if you do not have sex you will not get pregnant/get a woman pregnant nor will you get a sexually transmitted disease.

    Abstinence is the only one-hundred percent effective means of birth control--no one who uses it ever has an unplanned pregnancy.

    If you want to argue otherwise, I would suggest taking a refresher course in basic biology.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wow....finally a President who isn't afraid of education.
    Hmmmm. . . you haven't worked in medicine have you?

    It might surprise you to learn how many people aren't really aware that abstinence will prevent pregnancy, or venereal disease. Seriously.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is in the interest of the federal government to push for sex education. In the long run it A) reduces the number of people who end up needing medical treatment for STDs and can't afford it(usually minorities) and B) unwanted pregnancies. This is not a states issue. It costs the government more to take care of an unwanted kid that it does to teach kids not to have sex without protection.
    Whether you think it is in their interests or not is not the issue. The issue is where is the power granted to them to intervene.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    This issue is being confused. Abstinence-ONLY sex education is a failed program and provides no information on STD's or contraceptive use. This limits important information. Abstinence is 100% effective, but that's NOT what we are discussing; we are discussing abstinence-ONLY education. And the fact that abstinence is 100% effective doesn't change the fact that information about STD's and contraceptives is critical for those who do not abstain. And here's something to be aware of:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    15 year old males are notoriously bad about condom use.
    And 15 year old males are notoriously bad about controlling their hormones.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It is? When was the Constitution amended to allow federal spending on education?
    Why create strawmen? Either way Article 1, Section 8. I'm pretty sure ensuring that the U.S. population has some sort of knowledge about STDs and unwanted pregnancies falls within providing for the welfare of the United States.

    When was the Constitution amended to authorize the federal government to pay for health care?
    See above.

    The pregnancy must have been wanted, they had sex, didn't they? Weren't they aware of the consequences of the horizontal bop? If she didn't want to get pregnant, why did she have unprotected sex? If he didn't want her knocked up, what was he doing in her?
    So if you have sex and get pregnant then you want the baby? Your reasoning is non-existent. People having unprotected sex stems from a lack of education.

    Actually, you should read the Tenth Amendment someday. A state's issue is exactly what education is.
    As long as schools and states keep taking federal funding then yes. Education is a federal issue.

    This conclusion is not related to your prior sentence. Also, who said the government (that means taxpayers who know how to not get knocked up) has to finance unwanted kids?Unwanted kids almost always have parents kicking around, and grand-parents that can be dunned for the costs, too. I've no idea why you people think strangers should bear the burden.
    What simpleton strands of thought you have. Whether or not you like it, strangers a.k.a. tax payers DO bear the burden. Thus why it is in the federal government's best interest to stop the problem at the root by ensuring that kids get a proper sex education so that tax payers do not have to pay for their unwanted pregnancies later.
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