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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hey OC, WHEN practiced, it works 100% of the time.
    No question. However, you fail to make the distinction between abstinence-Only federal sex education programs and the concept of abstinence. The concept and the program are two entirely different things. And the program has certifiably failed to make good on its primary objective. Thus, it deserves to die. Why should the federal government spend money on a program that cannot even fulfill the #1 purpose it was created for? Pretty brain dead notion to me.

    "Let's fund programs that don't do anything but waste federal dollars!"

    Enabling adults that push "have sex, use a condom"... you're the reason it fails.
    I take it you really have no idea how sex ed is taught in America do you?
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Great, all we need to do now is eliminate all sex education from the federal budget. Let states do it if SOME people want it so badly. Either the government should fund both rather inefficiant methods, or the government should fund neither of them. Since I don't like taxes going down the drain in an economy such as this, I'd rather take the former.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ya but it's rarely practiced. And abstinence-only education misleads people into believing that birth control is not effective, so when they DON'T practice abstinence they are less likely to use contraception.



    Right. It's all the parents' fault that their kids don't wait until they're 45 to have sex. It's not hardwired into human biology or anything.
    I don't buy the "they'll do it anyway" failed line of thinking. My wife now? Was 24 when we met, and a virgin.

    Abstinence requires PERSONAL INTEGRITY. Any dog can hump, a mature human knows how to control themselves.

    You all pushing to end Abstinence education... you have very little faith in people, I believe we CAN do better, but not by giving up. You all have given up.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Great, all we need to do now is eliminate all sex education from the federal budget. Let states do it if SOME people want it so badly. Either the government should fund both rather inefficiant methods, or the government should fund neither of them. Since I don't like taxes going down the drain in an economy such as this, I'd rather take the former.
    It is in the interest of the federal government to push for sex education. In the long run it A) reduces the number of people who end up needing medical treatment for STDs and can't afford it(usually minorities) and B) unwanted pregnancies. This is not a states issue. It costs the government more to take care of an unwanted kid that it does to teach kids not to have sex without protection.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is in the interest of the federal government to push for sex education. In the long run it A) reduces the number of people who end up needing medical treatment for STDs and can't afford it(usually minorities) and B) unwanted pregnancies. This is not a states issue. It costs the government more to take care of an unwanted kid that it does to teach kids not to have sex without protection.
    burden of proof? How is it cost effective? Oh, and, why does it cost the government anything, other than going to public school.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Great, all we need to do now is eliminate all sex education from the federal budget. Let states do it if SOME people want it so badly. Either the government should fund both rather inefficiant methods, or the government should fund neither of them. Since I don't like taxes going down the drain in an economy such as this, I'd rather take the former.
    Finlay! Someone that makes sense.

    Quoted for truth.

    Parents should be teaching the children about sex not the school. What the hell has happened to our society when we depend on some stranger in a school to teach our children about sex and intimacy?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is in the interest of the federal government to push for sex education. In the long run it A) reduces the number of people who end up needing medical treatment for STDs and can't afford it(usually minorities) and B) unwanted pregnancies. This is not a states issue. It costs the government more to take care of an unwanted kid that it does to teach kids not to have sex without protection.
    You want to post some evidence to back this info up? I think it is pretty much bull**** myself.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't buy the "they'll do it anyway" failed line of thinking.
    No wonder why you support such failed programs. Empirical evidence all points that despite such programs, teenagers were just as likely to engage in sexual activities as those who did not have abstinence only sex ed. Thus, they will do it anyways.

    My wife now? Was 24 when we met, and a virgin.
    Oh yay! Personal stories filling in for actual reasoned, evidence based arguments!

    Let's do all science funding on the basis of personal stories!

    You all pushing to end Abstinence education... you have very little faith in people, I believe we CAN do better, but not by giving up. You all have given up.
    No, what we have done is look at the evidence, the data, the facts. You are clinging to personal beliefs that do not hold true in the larger society. Policies should be made off of evidence. Not our personal feelings.

    And how do you justify programs that deliberately lie to kids? How can you expect kids to make proper, good choices when they are working off a model that is fraudulent?

    And if you really want to push abstinence, you should take a look at how the Dutch do it. It's on the cover comprehensive, but it's subtle push for mature use of abstinence only.
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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    What a great idea Abstinence Only is. Lets censor reliable and up to date information and replace it with dogmatic religious undertones and chastity rings and have the student seek out information regarding sexual activities FROM THIER PEERS!!! Flordia is already seeing the after math of AO with dozens of teen pregnancies across the district, and a majority of the students believe bogus urban myth birth control methods like drinking mountain dew before sex prevents pregnancy, and having the girl on top prevents pregnancy.

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    Re: Obama Eliminates Abstinence-Only Funding In Budget

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    burden of proof?
    Sex ed reduces unwanted pregnancies :

    Report Says Sex Ed Can Reduce Pregnancy, Jury Out on Ab-Only

    A new report analyzing the impact evaluations of more than 100 teenage pregnancy prevention programs across the country that were judged to have employed rigorous research methods concludes that eight individual programs, and three different program models, demonstrated "high evidence of success"; the most effective individual program was able to affect teen sexual and contraceptive behavior for up to three years. Authored by Douglas Kirby and released May 30 by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, Emerging Answers examines a wide range of interventions to reduce teen pregnancy and childbearing, including some that do not directly address sex.
    Comprehensive Sex Education is More Effective at Stopping the Spread of HIV Infection

    It is estimated that more than half of all new HIV infections occur before the age of 25 and most are acquired through unprotected sexual intercourse. According to the experts on AIDS, many of these new infections occur because young people donít have the knowledge or skills to protect themselves. To address this important health issue, the American Psychological Association (APA) is recommending that comprehensive and empirically supported sex education and HIV prevention programs become widely available to teach youth how to abstain from risky sexual behaviors and learn how they can protect themselves against HIV and other sexually
    transmitted diseases.
    STD higher among minorities :

    Facts About STD You Need to Know

    Although STDs are widespread across racial and ethnic groups, the rates tend to be higher among African Americans than white Americans.

    Blacks remain the group most heavily affected by gonorrhea. In 2004, the gonorrhea rate among blacks was 19 times the rate among whites.

    The rate of chlamydia among black women was nearly eight times the rate among white women. The rate among black men was more than 11 times that of white men.
    Seriously. That you can't put this all together with the help of Google does not surprise me.

    How is it cost effective?
    It costs tax payers less to teach kids about sex then it does to feed the unwanted kids those kids might have.

    Oh, and, why does it cost the government anything, other than going to public school.
    Sex education PROGRAMS. Not classes.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 05-08-09 at 12:11 AM.
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