Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

Slippery Slope said:

Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.

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Volunteers that are threatened with being fired if they don't meet their quota and are paid more if they exceed their quota. Strange kind of volunteer doncha think? :roll:

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TOJ said:

Volunteers that are threatened with being fired if they don't meet their quota and are paid more if they exceed their quota. Strange kind of volunteer doncha think? :roll:

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*GASP!!* You mean an employer set a work quota and threatened termination for lack of job performance??!?!?!? OH .... MY.... GOD!! STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!! :lamo

Kinda reminds one of wall street, only, the volunteers aren't wrecking the economy. Because of your partisan stance you'd rather blame the organization instead of the worker who actually committed the fraud... got it.

Slippery Slope said:

*GASP!!* You mean an employer set a work quota and threatened termination for lack of job performance??!?!?!? OH .... MY.... GOD!! STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!

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Except, in Colorado where the latest example is, quotas are illegal.

You claimed they were volunteers. You need to get a dictionary and look up volunteer or ask the five year old down the street.

BTW, pointing out your hackery is not partisan on my part, Sweetie.


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Slippery Slope said:

Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.

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It seems the new law suit is blaming the organization, along with me. The left is fighting against any investigation, because who knows where it will lead? Maybe this would be a clue.

Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.

Acorn's political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its "voter education" arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall -- despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.

Obama's Liberal Shock Troops - WSJ.com

Catman said:

It seems the new law suit is blaming the organization, along with me. The left is fighting against any investigation, because who knows where it will lead? Maybe this would be a clue.

Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.

Acorn's political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its "voter education" arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall -- despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.

Obama's Liberal Shock Troops - WSJ.com

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It also begs the question, Is it ethical to use a partisan group to do something as important as the census?

Of course it isn't because no doubt things will end up favoring those who they support.

You gave the correct answer to your own question.

What amazes me is that we have a handful of cases from a national organization and suddenly its the entire organization thats corrupt. Let's put a few things in perspective here. ACORN has not been charged with a crime, employees have. Mostly those that are on incentive base pay so of course there are some that will cheat in order to increase there pay. That's a no brainer.

The villinization of ACORN is simply disgusting.

On Edit: The charges are voter REGISTRATION fraud not VOTER fraud as some have gotten in their heads.

FreeTh!nk3r said:

What amazes me is that we have a handful of cases from a national organization and suddenly its the entire organization thats corrupt. Let's put a few things in perspective here. ACORN has not been charged with a crime, employees have. Mostly those that are on incentive base pay so of course there are some that will cheat in order to increase there pay. That's a no brainer.

The villinization of ACORN is simply disgusting.

On Edit: The charges are voter REGISTRATION fraud not VOTER fraud as some have gotten in their heads.

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Yea but it is happening in multiple states.

If it were an isolated incident I'd tend to agree with you but its not.

Do you guys seriously not see the difference between a temp worker filling in a bunch of bogus names like "Mikey Mouse" to make a quota to get paid and committing ACTUAL voter fraud? This is pathetic.

Yes, these people broke the law and should be punished for it but to act like this is a conspiracy to elect democratic leaders is a little extreme. But hey, if you think this is the issue to help the republicans start winning elections again then I say go for it. Yell at the top of your lungs. Just don't forget to let me know how it works out for you.

ACORN is NOT conducting the census. They, among many other groups, are assisting the census bureau by telling people that part time employment is available working for the census bureau and encouraging people to complete the census forms.

The agency will also hire 2,000 temporary employees by the end of June to coordinate efforts with more than 10,000 local organizations and corporations to help encourage greater participation. Companies including General Mills and Target and civil rights groups including the NAACP will encourage their customers and members to fill out census forms next year.

Immigrants' Reluctance, Worker Displacement Complicate Census - washingtonpost.com

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Buckner [census bureau spokesman Stephen] stressed the need for organizations like ACORN to assist in the effort, saying that "any group that has a grassroots organization that can help get the word out that we have jobs" is helpful.

ACORN to Play Role in 2010 Census - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

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The federal government is taking applications, doing the hiring and conducting the actual census.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier, it's nothing more than a continuing smear campaign to impugn an organization that some don't like.

Indy said:

Do you guys seriously not see the difference between a temp worker filling in a bunch of bogus names like "Mikey Mouse" to make a quota to get paid and committing ACTUAL voter fraud? This is pathetic.

Yes, these people broke the law and should be punished for it but to act like this is a conspiracy to elect democratic leaders is a little extreme. But hey, if you think this is the issue to help the republicans start winning elections again then I say go for it. Yell at the top of your lungs. Just don't forget to let me know how it works out for you.

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I see that and what I am saying is that if they ACORN can not control their workers, then they have some serious internal problems.

If they have serious internal problems they should not be involved in something that can have effects like drawing voting districts.

FreeTh!nk3r said:

What amazes me is that we have a handful of cases from a national organization and suddenly its the entire organization thats corrupt. Let's put a few things in perspective here. ACORN has not been charged with a crime, employees have. Mostly those that are on incentive base pay so of course there are some that will cheat in order to increase there pay. That's a no brainer.

The villinization of ACORN is simply disgusting.

On Edit: The charges are voter REGISTRATION fraud not VOTER fraud as some have gotten in their heads.

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Actually, ACORN managers have been charged. Colorado has filed crimiinal charges and the prosecutors are ......ta da....... Democrats. They are probably doing it because they're just pissed at Prez Doofus for not offering them jobs, though. :roll:


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Harry Guerrilla said:

I see that and what I am saying is that if they ACORN can not control their workers, then they have some serious internal problems.

If they have serious internal problems they should not be involved in something that can have effects like drawing voting districts.

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I'm with you on the idea that if they have quality control issues then they shouldn't be able to be involved in the drawing of voting districts. I'm not really aware how much, if any, involvement they really have but they should have none. That should really go for all private organizations, but I digress.

I do gotta say that any organization that is going to use temporary workers is going to have issues like this. Its pretty much unavoidable so the only options are to eliminate all of these types of programs, or just live with the occasional voter registration fraud and move on. Voter registration fraud doesn't interest me very much at all, voter fraud on the other hand is a completely different matter.

Indy said:

I'm with you on the idea that if they have quality control issues then they shouldn't be able to be involved in the drawing of voting districts. I'm not really aware how much, if any, involvement they really have but they should have none. That should really go for all private organizations, but I digress.

I do gotta say that any organization that is going to use temporary workers is going to have issues like this. Its pretty much unavoidable so the only options are to eliminate all of these types of programs, or just live with the occasional voter registration fraud and move on. Voter registration fraud doesn't interest me very much at all, voter fraud on the other hand is a completely different matter.

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I'm not a hyper partisan, if I take a stance that may later be wrong, I'll correct myself.

We be cool. :cheers:

The part that bothers me is the Prez moving the census from the commerce department. There is no explanation for that except some sort of politicization may occur.

Yeah, I'm not really sure where I stand on the idea of the census being moved from the commerce department. I get the IDEA of what he's trying to do, but as we've seen with communism, socialism, and capitalism, nothing works here the way it would in an ideal world. Its sad that we can't even trust our government to COUNT PEOPLE without politicizing it.

Indy said:

Yeah, I'm not really sure where I stand on the idea of the census being moved from the commerce department. I get the IDEA of what he's trying to do, but as we've seen with communism, socialism, and capitalism, nothing works here the way it would in an ideal world. Its sad that we can't even trust our government to COUNT PEOPLE without politicizing it.

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Thats my big beef with it.

All the information they collect on the census form is way too private to share with them. It helps them shape districts to favor certain ideologies at the expense of others.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Yea but it is happening in multiple states.

If it were an isolated incident I'd tend to agree with you but its not.

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Multiple states have employees that cheat? You dont think that's entirely possible? We have a national company with a couple handful of bad apples, that just doesnt reek of conspiracy to me.

Harry Guerrilla said:

I see that and what I am saying is that if they ACORN can not control their workers, then they have some serious internal problems.

If they have serious internal problems they should not be involved in something that can have effects like drawing voting districts.

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Regardless to what business you are in, you will run into rogue employees. Its going to happen. The only thing ACORN could do is exactly what they did. Flad the registration as problematic and turn it over to the feds, that simple.

With ACORN, follow the money. Where does it come from and what political party started it and controlled it?

Nice formatting...see if I can figure out how to do that.

Slippery Slope said:

Presumably? Who's presuming, you?

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Uh, the DA's.

Slippery Slope said:

Do you have some evidence of this? Please share it with us.

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Evidence is something that is presented in court. I'm making allegations and am a layperson not a lawyer. I am speaking from my own perspective and knowledge which is informed by watching/reading continuous news from all media that are not blatently biased and some that are biased punctuated with drama, science and history. Interpolate, extrapolate, evaluate.

Didn't Obama just threaten to withhold money from CA if they didn't reverse a salary cut to unionized state workers. Withholding that money could bankrupt the state causing real harm to a lot of people. (excuse the assumption but it is one the administration is using to justify the stimulus in the first place) Let's see...my feeble logic construes that to be extortion. The supreme court already ruled on a similar issue of withholding highway funds if the states didn't enact suitable federally mandated highway regulations. The democrats have the purse strings.

Slippery Slope said:

What conclusion is that, that you don't know what facts are? I had no idea that ACORN is an arm of the Democratic party. Could you please provide the statement from either ACORN or the DNC that says ACORN is an arm of the DNC?

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Actually, this has been stated in the media. Can't remember exactly when or by whom. Perhaps you have time to review all the tape from during the election from CNN, HNN, Fox News, MSNBC, BBC and local media. I have neither the access, nor the time. I just have to rely on my memory. I don't recall the Mafia saying that they had a criminal racketeering enterprise ongoing either.

Slippery Slope said:

First prove that ACORN is GUILTY of racketeering, then prove the DNC was complicit in that racketeering.

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The DA's job. Not mine. That is in fact what I am proposing.

Slippery Slope said:

You can assume the moon is made of green cheese, that assumption doesn't make it fact.

There ya go, now you know how flawed your "logic" is.

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I can't believe that an obviously intelligent person as yourself still thinks the moon is made of green cheese? In the Coast Guard we have studied and used astrological bodies for navigation and logically determined the moon to be swiss.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Thats my big beef with it.

All the information they collect on the census form is way too private to share with them. It helps them shape districts to favor certain ideologies at the expense of others.

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HarryG, I am an underpaid employee of the US Census Bureau, and I can tell you that the information is kept VERY secure and private , but you are still correct as to the uses. Part of the purpose of the census is to shape districts as they see fit, and fullfil the needs of the citizenry , as they (uncle sugar and the gang) see fit; finance,infrastructure, water supply etc. When, or if, it is used to shape voter precincts, I take issue. I think election results are the primary force in voter precincts / layouts. My guess is that the census can be used in many deviate ways if in the hands of a deviate within the US government. The data is all under title 13 though, and heavily protected.

Just saw today where a Minnesota congress person has moved to ban ACORN (and affiliates?) from any further federal funding. Barbara Bachman I think. Who would have thought that concern about ACORN's behavior would be high in Minnesota?!:roll:

:laughat:Michelle Bachmann...ROTFLMFAO...:2rofll:

The republican representative is another one of those gifts that keep on giving for the democrats.

“No matter how many times prosecutors investigate and even indict acorn and their employees, they emerge unblemished as far as the federal government is concerned,” Bachmann added.

No matter how many times she tries to spin it, she just couldn't fit the word 'CONVICTED' in.

LowRevs said:

Just saw today where a Minnesota congress person has moved to ban ACORN (and affiliates?) from any further federal funding. Barbara Bachman I think. Who would have thought that concern about ACORN's behavior would be high in Minnesota?!:roll:

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Hope it works. But the Democrats who gained form this organization are in control and ACORN "lawyer" Obama is President.


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Harry Guerrilla said:

Thats my big beef with it.

All the information they collect on the census form is way too private to share with them. It helps them shape districts to favor certain ideologies at the expense of others.

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Just curious, how do republicans gerry-mander their districts currently? Do they do the polling work themselves or do they rely on a 3rd party to gather the information?

Catman said:

With ACORN, follow the money. Where does it come from and what political party started it and controlled it?

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The democratic party? Now, shall we look at all the organizations that the republican party gives money to? What's the story here, that ACORN has some dishonest volunteers or that they are an easy target to attack the democratic party through?