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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Oh there's no shortage of 'allegations', anyone can and do make them, but there is a glaring absence of convictions.

    These are older allegations, so they should have had time to make their way through the courts.


    2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
    (note--Here's more evidence of that 'lib-rul' media. Who was that other group? There was only two, how hard would it have been to name the other one?)

    2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

    2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

    2004 The Berks County (PA) deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

    2005 The State Board of Elections (VA) also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud.

    2004 The district attorney’s office (WI) investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.
    Appearances are everything and when they appear to be committing voter fraud it isn't wise to use them to conduct the census.

    If they just have sloppy practices they are the last people that need to be used for the census.

    Either way it would be stupid to use them for such an event.
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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    How many adjectives are required to make fraud a bad thing?


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    The point being that it's NOT voter fraud, which is what the cons are trying to intimate. A citizen put Mickey Mouse on a resgistration form, Mickey Mouse did not show up to vote.

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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    If, as some pretend, there isn't anything wrong with ACORN, why do they feel the need to participate in fraud? Isn't there anything that democrats won't try to cover up?
    Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.

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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla
    Appearances are everything and when they appear to be committing voter fraud it isn't wise to use them to conduct the census.
    This is exactly what the rightwing noise machine tries to do. Jump up and down screaming...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...to create a negative 'appearance' of an organization they don't like.

    This goes on every election and nothing has come from it.

    If ACORN is ever actually charged and convicted of voter fraud, you won't have to tell me 'I told you so', I'll be one of the first to step up and say throw the book at 'em.


    Besides, they're only assisting with the recruitment of the temporary census workers. The workers are hired by and will be working for the government at decent pay for a temp. A friend's wife was laid off from her job and got on as a census worker and she is pleased with the job and the pay.
    The bureau is currently employing help from more than 250 national partners, including TARGET and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), to assist in the hiring effort.
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    Buckner (census bureau spokesman Stephen) said the bureau received an overwhelming number of qualified applicants -- more than 1 million -- for the 140,000 census taker jobs filled to complete the first phase of the effort. Each applicant, he said, must take a basic skills exam, which includes reading a map and entering data into a handheld computer. Applicants are also subject to an FBI background check, he said.

    ACORN to Play Role in 2010 Census - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com
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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    This is exactly what the rightwing noise machine tries to do. Jump up and down screaming...Voter Fraud...Voter Fraud...to create a negative 'appearance' of an organization they don't like.

    This goes on every election and nothing has come from it.

    If ACORN is ever actually charged and convicted of voter fraud, you won't have to tell me 'I told you so', I'll be one of the first to step up and say throw the book at 'em.


    Besides, they're only assisting with the recruitment of the temporary census workers. The workers are hired by and will be working for the government at decent pay for a temp. A friend's wife was laid off from her job and got on as a census worker and she is pleased with the job and the pay.
    I understand what your saying, I guess my beef is that their are legitimate complaints.

    I think that at the very least their workers have been sloppy with following the rules and for them to assist the government isn't a good idea.

    A temp agency would probably do a better job at recruiting.
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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.
    Volunteers that are threatened with being fired if they don't meet their quota and are paid more if they exceed their quota. Strange kind of volunteer doncha think?

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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Volunteers that are threatened with being fired if they don't meet their quota and are paid more if they exceed their quota. Strange kind of volunteer doncha think?

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    *GASP!!* You mean an employer set a work quota and threatened termination for lack of job performance??!?!?!? OH .... MY.... GOD!! STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!

    Kinda reminds one of wall street, only, the volunteers aren't wrecking the economy. Because of your partisan stance you'd rather blame the organization instead of the worker who actually committed the fraud... got it.

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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    *GASP!!* You mean an employer set a work quota and threatened termination for lack of job performance??!?!?!? OH .... MY.... GOD!! STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!
    Except, in Colorado where the latest example is, quotas are illegal.

    You claimed they were volunteers. You need to get a dictionary and look up volunteer or ask the five year old down the street.

    BTW, pointing out your hackery is not partisan on my part, Sweetie.


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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Who is pretending there isn't anything wrong? If someone did something illegal they should be investigated. The problem is that you want to blame the organization for something some volunteers did.
    It seems the new law suit is blaming the organization, along with me. The left is fighting against any investigation, because who knows where it will lead? Maybe this would be a clue.

    Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.

    Acorn's political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its "voter education" arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall -- despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.

    Obama's Liberal Shock Troops - WSJ.com

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    Re: Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Catman View Post
    It seems the new law suit is blaming the organization, along with me. The left is fighting against any investigation, because who knows where it will lead? Maybe this would be a clue.

    Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.

    Acorn's political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its "voter education" arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall -- despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.

    Obama's Liberal Shock Troops - WSJ.com
    It also begs the question, Is it ethical to use a partisan group to do something as important as the census?

    Of course it isn't because no doubt things will end up favoring those who they support.
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