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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    While I agree the spending is beyond absurd, the following article does provide some reinforcement of his claims of cutting spending dramatically by the end of his term. I'll believe it when I see it, but it's better than nothing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/us...emc=rss&src=ig

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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Yes, the DoD budget has only increased 4%....
    You remarked that it was signifucant that The Obama had (supposedly) budgeted fuds for Iraq/Afghanistan. If true, HOW is that significant? HOW is that relevant?

    but I think it's significant that 1/6th of the entire 2010 fiscal year budget is spent on the DoD,
    That's down from 1/5th -- but, given that the reduction of % of total spending is due to a huge increase in total spending, how is that significant?

    And again -- so what? How does any of that mitigate the huge spending/deficits of The Obama's budget?
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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    From my last post in this thread:
    My comment was specifically this reference:

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It should be noted that while the Bush administration did not allocate funding within their budgets for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Obama administration has (although I haven't reviewed this budget so I am not sure how much they have allocated).
    I would ask again, what does this debate have to do with George Bush or how they accounted for the war spending? Bush isn’t in charge anymore and had nothing to do with the formulation of the current budget and its corresponding trillions in deficits so why bring the name or what occurred up in every thread started about Obama?

    We are talking about the CURRENT administration, the historically unprecedented spending us into a $1.8 trillion dollar deficit and the reality that we are still waiting for an HONEST debate as to how they are going to pay for it.

    The laughable denial so far is that Obama found $17 billion in savings; how is this even remotely going to pay for the deficit.

    The REAL story here is that this is a deliberate attempt to AVOID any HONEST discussion about how they are going to have to SIGNIFICANTLY increase taxes ACROSS the board for purely political purposes by waiting until AFTER the 2010 mid term elections.

    The reason for this is as obvious as the noses on our faces; because an HONEST assessment of the cost will not only INFURIATE the American people and cause political disaster for the cretins who infest Washington, but also will drag the economy further down the drain.

    Transparency? What a freaking laugh! The only thing transparent with this President is the obvious transparency that exists between his BIG ears.

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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's down from 1/5th -- but, given that the reduction of % of total spending is due to a huge increase in total spending, how is that significant?

    And again -- so what? How does any of that mitigate the huge spending/deficits of The Obama's budget?
    Its 1/6 the budget, thats a pretty good size.

    That doesn't mean we should excuse how much is being spent.

    It means that Obama is including defense spending in his budget.
    G.W. did not do that.
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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
    While I agree the spending is beyond absurd, the following article does provide some reinforcement of his claims of cutting spending dramatically by the end of his term. I'll believe it when I see it, but it's better than nothing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/us...emc=rss&src=ig
    From the same article from the New York Times which helped drag this Community Organizer across the finish line to become President:

    While the $17 billion in projected savings represents a small portion of the proposed budget, Mr. Obama insisted that “that’s a lot of money, even by Washington standards.” It was enough to pay for a $2,500 tuition tax credit for millions of students, for larger Pell education grants, he said, “with enough money left over to pay for everything we do to protect the National Parks.”

    “For every dollar we seek to save there will be those who have an interest in seeing it spent,” the president said. “That’s how unnecessary programs survive year after year. That’s how budgets swell.”

    But, he added, “We cannot accept business as usual.”


    You cannot be THIS President and make THESE assertions and not laugh your ass off.

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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Its 1/6 the budget, thats a pretty good size.

    That doesn't mean we should excuse how much is being spent.

    It means that Obama is including defense spending in his budget.
    G.W. did not do that.
    What does this debate have to do with George Bush? Why is it that whenever the obvious hypocrisy and criminally negligent way this administration behaves is brought up, people automatically engage the "Bush" argument?

    Bush spent us into a $200 billion deficit; so what? Obama has spent us into a $1.8 trillion deficit without a single debate about how to pay for it and with irrationally optimistic and farcical economic projections that are fictitiously used to suggest this adminstration will cut this deficit in half in four years.

    I cannot willfully suspend my disbelief enough to swallow the hogwash being dished out by Democrats on this topic.


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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    It just blows my mind the amount of money our government spends. And the price tag that goes along with it. Because it takes almost a quarter of a billion dollars to just 'promote' literacy, according to our budget-wizards in government. And where the **** is that money going anyway? Have you seen anything promoting literacy lately? Anyone? Because I sure as hell haven't.

    I do applaud Bush for trying to end that program and now Obama for atleast cutting that budget, but it's obviously our blood sucking congress, that won't end the program, that is pocketing the money. Change, change, change them and it's just a horse of a different color.
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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What does this debate have to do with George Bush? Why is it that whenever the obvious hypocrisy and criminally negligent way this administration behaves is brought up, people automatically engage the "Bush" argument?

    Bush spent us into a $200 billion deficit; so what? Obama has spent us into a $1.8 trillion deficit without a single debate about how to pay for it and with irrationally optimistic and farcical economic projections that are fictitiously used to suggest this adminstration will cut this deficit in half in four years.

    I cannot willfully suspend my disbelief enough to swallow the hogwash being dished out by Democrats on this topic.

    He was just making a point that defense spending is included in his budget.

    I was making a valid comparison that if you include defense spending in G.W. 's budget it would increase the size of it by a large degree.

    Obama is including defense spending on the wars in his budget.

    To make a more valid comparison tot he size of each budget you would either have to remove war spending from Obama's budget and compare it to GW's or include war spending in GW's and compare it to Obama.

    That is the only rational, fair way to compare spending between administrations.

    For the record I am neither a GW fan nor an Obama fan.

    Khayembii brought up a valid observation and I could sense the dog pile of Repub's that won't even consider his point.
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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The laughable denial so far is that Obama found $17 billion in savings; how is this even remotely going to pay for the deficit.
    Let's assume for the moment that he actually does intend to make further cuts.

    Were I in his shoes, I would do something just like this. With the current democratic congress, he'd face an uphill battle were he to make more dramatic cuts.

    And I think it's an apt statement when he says, "“For every dollar we seek to save there will be those who have an interest in seeing it spent,” the president said. “That’s how unnecessary programs survive year after year. That’s how budgets swell.”

    If there were an actual strategy at work here, it might not be unwise to start with a smaller amount that wouldn't face as much opposition, to get them used to the idea.

    Then again, this may just be another of his smoke screens to placate those infuriated by the spending. While I don't entirely share all your negative views on Obama, he does seem to be all over the map and is adept at creating distractions that take the focus off of his shortcomings.
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    Re: Obama Releases $3.4 Trillion Budget Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He was just making a point that defense spending is included in his budget.

    I was making a valid comparison that if you include defense spending in G.W. 's budget it would increase the size of it by a large degree.

    Obama is including defense spending on the wars in his budget.

    To make a more valid comparison tot he size of each budget you would either have to remove war spending from Obama's budget and compare it to GW's or include war spending in GW's and compare it to Obama.

    That is the only rational, fair way to compare spending between administrations.

    For the record I am neither a GW fan nor an Obama fan.

    Khayembii brought up a valid observation and I could sense the dog pile of Repub's that won't even consider his point.
    What does ANY comparison of Bush's Presidency have to do with the current level of irresponsible spending we are witnessing from this Administration and Congress?

    I am hardly dog piling on anyone or being disrespectful of your opinion or Khay's, I am asking, what is the relevance of even attempting to compare what happened in the previous administration with what is happening now?

    Regardless of whether an item is ON budget, or OFF, a deficit is a deficit no matter how you attempt to define it; it is when EXPENDITURES exceed REVENUES and it doesn't matter if it INCLUDED in the BUDGET which is nothing more than a GUESS, or NOT.

    I find it amazing when people always attempt to point at Bush when he is no longer in charge and we are dealing with the HERE and NOW.

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