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    GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Charlie Crist? Gay? That's what is going to appear in the film "Outrage", which will be released and running in Landmark Theatres all across the US tomorrow.

    People here know me pretty well as someone who takes delight in seeing hypocritical buttheads in the Republican party outed. But Charlie Crist? This guy is not one of the moral pillars of society who attempts to tell everybody else how to live. He is a pretty tolerant guy.

    And this is where I draw the line. If Crist were being a hypocritical asshole, I would be laughing my ass off over this. However, he is not, and deserves to be left alone. Charlie Crist is not a Larry Craig, and IMHO, the movement to out as many secretly gay Republicans as possible has gone too far.

    There is a time for the outing of hypocritical politicians. It is when their own behavior is the opposite of the "moral code" they attempt to force on others. This is not one of those times. Crist should have been left alone. Instead, his political career is going to be ruined, and for what? Nothing. Nothing at all.

    You may be surprised that I am posting this, since I am known for doing a lot of gloating when a hypocritical politician is outed, especially a secretly gay politician who engages in gay bashing. I am not gloating here. In fact, I am quite angry. Since Crist was not attempting to force other people to live to certain standards, his own homosexuality is nobody's business but his own.

    Sometimes I find that people who out hypocritical politicians are assholes as big as the hypocritical politicians they are outing.

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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Yep, you like to out Republicans, but not Democrats.
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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Interesting Dan. I lived in Florida (go to school in Miss. atm) but I was there when he was running for gov. and believe it or not, even my dad who voted for him (republican) said he thinks he is a queer. his words not mine. I didn't see it, nor do i know where people are assuming this from. I don't know much about the guy so i can't say. But yeah this isn't the first time I have heard this, it was quite common when he was running (atleast in FL).

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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yep, you like to out Republicans, but not Democrats.
    Do your trolling in another thread. I am not in the mood for it today.
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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    this is why i'm strongly against outing politicians- even those that fall within the so called "barney frank rule".

    if your standard for outing politicians is whether or not they're hostile towards gays then you're submitting them to whatever arbitrary definition of "hostile towards gays" that anyone who has access to the media has. I think that could easily result in a gay witch hunt.

    I think people like Craig and Ted Haggard are disgusting people and If I ever met either of them I'd probably spit in their face, but outing them is ultimately bad for the gay community.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    this is why i'm strongly against outing politicians- even those that fall within the so called "barney frank rule".

    if your standard for outing politicians is whether or not they're hostile towards gays then you're submitting them to whatever arbitrary definition of "hostile towards gays" that anyone who has access to the media has. I think that could easily result in a gay witch hunt.

    I think people like Craig and Ted Haggard are disgusting people and If I ever met either of them I'd probably spit in their face, but outing them is ultimately bad for the gay community.
    I honestly disagree with you on this. I believe that outing politicians who say one thing while doing another is a good thing for the gay community. However, since I am straight, I will admit that your opinion might carry more weight than mine.
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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    My issue with your issue of Hypocracy.

    Was Craig or Haggard attempting to get married to another man? If not, how was them being against gay marriage hypocritical?

    Did Craig or Haggard attempt to file complaint with a job because they were descriminated against because they were homosexual? If not, how was them being against such legislation hypocritical?

    Did Craig or Haggard believe that their homosexuality was a good thing that they were proud of and wasn't "sinful" or "wrong"? If not, how was them stating they believe that to be the case hypocritical?

    Unless you're telling me ALL homosexuals MUST be for ALL homosexual rights and think that ALL homosexuality is COMPLETELY good than I don't understand what exactly they did that was hypocritical.

    I never got the "hypocritical thing". I could understand the hypocritical thing if they were going "ALL GAYS SHOULD BE KILLED!" and then if it started happening they didn't kill themselves...but I didn't see them trying to do the things they were arguing against. I could very easily see a man like Haggard being a hugely self depricating person, someone performing actions that feel natural to his body but wholey unnatural to his mind. It is like some pedophiles or those that do incest who are disgusted by their actions and know its wrong but yet keep doing it. And, if that's the case, why is he a hypocrite for saying that he believes homosexuality to be wrong and evil if he thinks that the homosexual tendancies within himself are wrong and evil.

    I'm not saying I agree with all or even any of their stances, but I have never gotten the hypocritical argument here. This is like saying we shouldn't listen to any politician about their stances on murder or theft because they have gotten speeding tickets before or shop lifted something as a kid or had smokedp ot once or done some version of a minor crime at some point in their life.

    Frankly, I'm against forcefully outing ANYONE. I think its one of the lowest thing someone can do and I think its frankly abhorrent for anyone that claims to stand for personal rights and freedom to be in favor of people forcefully "exposing" people on a mass stage over something these people personally do not want to have made public and is frankly no ones ****ing business.

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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I honestly disagree with you on this. I believe that outing politicians who say one thing while doing another is a good thing for the gay community. However, since I am straight, I will admit that your opinion might carry more weight than mine.
    Well, here's the thing, there are people that I trust to make reasonable decisions regarding who it's acceptable to out. Ted Haggard and Larry Craig were obviously totally fair game. However, I think they're fairly isolated examples. This guy Crist is a perfect example of someone who, while part of a broadly anti-gay political party, has no personal history of antagonism towards the community.

    I personally would prefer that we out no one, because I think it's better that people like Larry Craig are allowed to continue their careers, despite how pathetic and twisted they are as people, then potentially ruin the lives of decent people like Crist.

    Look at it this way, did outing Larry Craig lead to the election of a more tolerant senator in Idaho? Of course not. It accomplished nothing of substance for the gay community. It helped the Democrats further tarnish the Republican brand image, but what's good for the Democrats isn't ALWAYS what's good for the gay community.

    The problem is that there's a belief in some of the gay communities political leadership that outing shouldn't be a personal choice. They believe that when any gay person chooses the closet it harms the entire community. This is probably actually true. The more gays that are visible in society, the harder it is to marginalize us. However, I cannot ask someone to give up a 20 year marriage and an entire political career for something as nebulous as "visibility". I do think visibility is ultimately the key to total social acceptance- it's been shown consistently that people who know gay people in their personal lives are vastly more tolerant of them politically. Nevertheless, I can't ask someone to destroy their own lives for the good of the broader community.
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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    I really want to agree with Dan here, but just cannot do it. At some point, I think every one, even politicians, should be accorded a certain amount of privacy, and who they sleep with falls within that amount of privacy. I just do not care if a politician is gay, or has an affair, or hosts wild orgies. We owe them that little bit of respect for their private lives.

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    Re: GOP governor eyeing Senate run to be outed in film tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I really want to agree with Dan here, but just cannot do it. At some point, I think every one, even politicians, should be accorded a certain amount of privacy, and who they sleep with falls within that amount of privacy. I just do not care if a politician is gay, or has an affair, or hosts wild orgies. We owe them that little bit of respect for their private lives.
    I'm kind of torn on this. On one hand, I understand that politician should be outed, or a t least politically scathed, if he is hypocritical about gay marriage; however, I don't know if their privacy should be invaded to do it. It's not like Larry Craig where he is doing it in PUBLIC bathrooms. Crist, IF HE HAS HAD GAY RELATIONS at all, has to my knowledge, done that in the privacy of his bedroom; Therefore, why should anyone know about that, EVEN IF he is hypocritical?

    Because, if we can invade politicians' privacy in the name of finding hypocrisy, then who is next? Who else can have their privacy invaded just because someone SUPPOSES that another someone is a hypocrit?
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