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    USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFVQ0HZz2mc"]YouTube - USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens[/ame]

    Youtube vid of a news report. It's kinda crazy, apparently nothing was found but the kid is still in jail. Actually, I was trying to find follow ups to see if anything else has come of this just yet or not. Regardless, the use of the PA against our citizens, it may not be "common place" as far as we know now, but it does seem the government will use it against us if it suits their cause. Scary stuff.
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    I saw this I think on CNN's website and was pissed.

    Well since he's labeled a enemy to America isn't it about time we start torturing him? I mean, what happens if he has information about an imminent attack on American soil?
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    That's messed up. I do think teenage bomb threats warrant an arrest however I do not see any reason whatsoever to hold the kid without a trial, keep moving the hearing dates back, and withholding any and all info from the parents. We don't have even half the story let alone the whole story but what we know thus far is concerning.

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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    I saw this I think on CNN's website and was pissed.

    Well since he's labeled a enemy to America isn't it about time we start torturing him? I mean, what happens if he has information about an imminent attack on American soil?

    No. you didn't see it on CNN, or on any other mainstream media site. For some reason the "story" is only available from fringe media.

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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Alot of people called it... when they were worried about the gov using this legislation against it's own citizenry...

    The government said.. "aww **** nigga, you don't need to worry, we won't use it on you." and almost all of the people opposed to it... stopped opposing it.
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    No. you didn't see it on CNN, or on any other mainstream media site. For some reason the "story" is only available from fringe media.
    Um, no. Thanks for trying to play psychic but you are wrong. I believe it WAS CNN I saw this on first. Even if it wasn't on CNN, a local news station is a "fringe" news source now?

    Thanks for trying to be witty though, too bad it didn't work out to well.
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Oh the ACLU is going to have a field day with this.
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    At least the PA is being used for somewhat more in line with what it was created for.

    God knows trying to justify the use of the PA against tax dodging strip clubs takes quite a stretch of logic.
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    That's messed up. I do think teenage bomb threats warrant an arrest however I do not see any reason whatsoever to hold the kid without a trial, keep moving the hearing dates back, and withholding any and all info from the parents. We don't have even half the story let alone the whole story but what we know thus far is concerning.
    I'd say that teenage bomb threats warrant a visit from the cops, maybe not arrest. I'd rather them make sure the threat is credible first.

    But hey, this guys a terrorist and not giving information on his bombs. I say it's high time to waterboard this punk!
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    Re: USA using Patriot Act against its own citizens

    Yes, we don't have the full story. We have a one sided news story so far with the sources being the Mother of the child, who is understandably upset, and the Lawyer for said child whose duty is to protect him and fight for his innocence.

    They keep saying "The Patriot Act". Please, what section specifically? What heading are they siting for holding him. This is like saying someone is being held due to FISA. Its an dozens and dozens of pages Act with more new laws and changes to law that you can shake a stick at. If all you say is "The Patriot Act" how exactly is anyone even supposed to be able to check your story to see if its even legitimate or to know the FACTS about the case.

    Here are some facts.

    Lets see...

    The mother complained there were guns there...nothing to do with the Patriot Act

    Officers storming a house and arresting someone and presenting a SEARCH WARRANT...nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

    Making bomb threats is illegal, even if you can't actually MAKE the bombs...nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

    Gag Orders on federal cases are not the domain solely of the Patriot Act.

    While she can claim "Stealing IP" addresses, and that may very well be legitimate, there are NUMEROUS ways to check if such things are potentially true or not.

    I'm trying to remember which portion of the Act actually deals with potential hearings and the ability to hold people for extended times and I do hope the ACLU or his lawyer manages to review that as it is an issue if I remember correctly that needs to be addressed.

    However, I'm trying to do research on this kid and I'm coming up with Zero results. For something presumed to have happened I'm having issues with why there would be absolutely zero information out about it. If anyone has any links please direct me to them as I'd like to look into this more.

    So far, the woman and the media seems to be doing what's typical with the Patriot Act. Over exaggerating. "Because it falls under the Patriot act a lot of the usual rights don't apply here."

    Really? I see an issue perhaps with a speedy initial hearing. However, where's this "a lot", a lot implies more than even 2 or 3. I see one potential right. His arrest wasn't anything to do with the patriot act, the search was completely within the law as it wasn't even a "warrantless one" like so many people dislike, and his accused crime isn't even one created by the Patriot Act but was one around prior to that.

    Interested to find out more about this case and having a decent knowledge of the Act I'm going to hold judgement as this seems like very typical media hysteria, over exaggeration, hyperbole, and hyping up. Not to say there's not a legitimate case here, but much like the "183 waterboarding" story and the swine flu, it seems like in typical Media Fashion they've taken something that may be somewhat bad and trying to make it out to be this great giant thing when its not.

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