Fair assessment. The bothersome part I found was that apparently this kid has been in jail for over two months with what is reported as minimal contact with parents. There isn't much to go on, because most everything is not being talked about by anyone from the government (which is kinda discomforting in the least, I'd say).
Which is due to....which section of the Patriot Act? I mean, is there ANY proof at all that is due to the Patriot Act and not just being said that way because it makes a more sensational story?
Even then, how much contact does a person in prison typically have with someone outside? He's apparently not held near the house, which is troublesome but not something specific to the patriot act. Is the mom just simply not ALLOWED to go visit him, or is it too far away for constant visits. Is he allowed less phone calls to the outside world than other people in prison, or is it the same but they just don't mention this. I don't know these things and I can find any further information on the case to find out.
The PA is brought up in terms of his trial and incarceration, which is the suspect part.
Except its not. The PA is brought up in terms of the ENTIRE story. The ENTIRE story started off by talking about the Patriot stripping away "a lot" of this kids rights. It started off with it being under the Specter of the Patriot Act. I'd have little to no real issue with the story if they ended up doing the same story without the asinine opening and said "Now, 2 months later, he still hasn't had a trial due to, what his lawyer claims, a law found within the Patriot Act". That would've been the PA brought up in terms of his trial and incarceration...the story brought it up in context of the entire case.
It's reasonable to think that by this point, months later, a normal police investigation would have at least yielded some amount of information which could be shared with the public.
Are all FBI cases open to the public as they are being undergone, let alone every police case? To my knowledge, that's not the case and wasn't the case even before Patriot Act.
Again, my issue is not stating that the kid is wrong in being upset with how things went down, my issue is with people seemingly just going "Oh its the Patriot Act" based on......well, next to nothing save for the Lawyer mentioning the Patriot Act.
It's odd then that after all this time there's no news of the case going forward, the child being offered bond, having proper contact with parents/lawyers, etc.
So yes, we don't have all information; but there are things which don't quite add up here. American citizen in jail for more than 2 months, with no hearings or information of bond being set or denied, etc. There's something rotten in the state of Denmark.
Yes, something does seem odd. The difference is, you see that and immediately go "The Government has done wrong. The Patriot Act is Evil! Its the Patriot Act's fault!"
I go "Hmm, that's odd. I'd like some more info. Its curious that there's no more information out on this because it either means there's absolutely ZERO coming out about the story or the story was overblown and thus its no longer on any news organization or bloggers radar".
You immediately go the "Government is bad, patriot act is bad" route because it seems "odd", while I can see how it being "odd" that no more information has came out could literally go either way.
I'm not saying the governments right, I'm not saying the kids guilty of ANYTHING, but I'm also not saying somehow this has been a giant abuse of "a lot" of his rights due specifically to the Patriot Act.
Fact is that it is the GOVERNMENT which must present the facts and prove their case, not the individual.
Indeed, and under the court of law he's presumed innocent until proven guilty.
For individual citizens we're not required to keep that mindset, and I keep that mindset in part with the government as well. I do not label this kid guilty, but I also don't label the U.S. Government and the Patriot 100% guilty with no evidence either.
Let's keep that in mind, and let's keep in mind that this is an American citizen so certain rights are to be provided, including right to speedy trial. The PA does away with that, council, trial, habeas corpus.
Please point me to the section in the Patriot Act please. I'm very anxious to read the wording concerning this. Especially since he HAS council. And while it has been delayed there is a hearing set which means there has no been complete removal of habeas corpus from him yet. So, section please.
And, as I already acknowledged in my initial point, there likely IS an issue with the Patriot Act here and if it ends up being the case I hope these guys win and I hope that section of it is stricken down, as it should be.
My issue is the presentation of the news organization and the hysterical way people are reacting to it under the "spectre" of the Patriot Act. To me, not having a speedy trial is not an example of "A lot" of rights being lost and the majority of what's happened that we know about on this case has NOTHING to do with the PA.
There's enough here to suspect that something not quite right has gone down. The government has to prove its case, not the other way around...well maybe the PA gets rid of that restriction too.
I agree, some things look fishy here. To me, things are looking fishy on both sides. In regards to a rights violation in terms of a speedy trial I agree with you, and stated already. In regards to "a lot" of his other rights being violated SPECIFICALLY due to the Patriot Act, I've seen ZERO evidence to even lead me to assuming it. The
ONLY way for me to assume it is if I'm simply LOOKING for a reason to complain and degrade the Patriot Act and thus whenever I see anything that is going wrong with law enforcement I say "Its the Patriot Acts Fault" regardless of any actual information IN the act that actually is at fault and regardless of whether or not the exact same thing could happen even before the Patriot Act.
My issue is people USING this kid to hype up their anti-Patriot Act agenda and the media USING this kid to hyper sensationalize a situation because "Patriot Act" is a nice big scary word that people don't understand so they can exaggerate and outright lie out of ignorance about in hopes of getting the public whipped up into a ferver.
Also, the waterboarding things was mostly in jest. Learn to take a joke.
Yes, I got that it was a joke. That's why nothing I posted really responded to that portion.