You want to know the idiotic ignorant scare tacting on the part of most people, especially people who 9 out of 10 times do NOTHING but parrot talking points from whatever political websites and sources they choose that are directly in line with their thinking without EVER giving a legitimate attempt to view the information from the other side and get actual REALISTIC fact is? It's this "terrorists are going to get us" line. It's "accept the expansion of government and the usurpation of your power as sovereigns because the terrorists are coming". That's the real source of ignorance in this Republic. People who think we have so much to fear from terrorists that we have to let government expand and take more and more power, excusing the abuses the entire way because "part of it is good". That's true ignorance right there.
Wonderful little rant there. Alex Jones would be proud. However, gotta ask.
What the **** does that have to do with anything I said?
Please, again, point me to where I said the Patriot Act needs to stay in place "because terrorists are coming" or because "the terrorists are going to get me". I know I'm not one of those in the 9 out of 10 range unless the ACLU and EPIC are somehow pro-patriot Act and I just missed it.
Yes, there ARE ignorant people on BOTH sides of the Patriot Act spectrum. Those that try to say the act is 100% lock tite, everything is great about it, and nothing needs to be removed are JUST as wrong and I'll argue against them JUST as much when they come out and say it. I'm not sure why you're ranting about it in this response because I don't disagree with you.
Yep, that's the government abusing something. We need to get rid of the FDA cause naturally since they're government they will also abuse, chop it all off.We had wiretaps which were abused by the FBI, that's measured.
And, are you telling me Ikari that we never had any wiretap abuses prior to the Patriot Act? And, if we did, how exactly is it the ENTIRE Patriot Acts fault because the government did the same thing it did previous to it, abused power at times.
Indeed, and I'm likely all in favor of restricting back that power.The audit showed in both pure number and percentage the sample having well too much abuse.
By the way, which power is it exactly? Could you provide me a reference point in the Act to which power specifically you have issue with or is this just some nebulus "issue"? Perhaps that's why you hate the entire act, because everything you read just frames it...much like this news story you posted...as "The Patriot Act" because god forbid someone actually do some research to find out specifics.
Yep, so has the FBI. Remove it. CIA. Remove it. They turned the Military against private citizens once. Remove it. Wait, the President of the United States of America perpetrated abuse against its own citizens once under Nixon....we need to remove the position of President of the United States of America.The PA has been used at least once against its own citizen and that's too much.
Actually, I wouldn't. Actually, in my posts IN THIS VERY THREAD I even stated there were abuses and they needed to be changed. But go ahead, continue to just blatantly misrepresent me, its kind of funny.But it's stupid to watch out for that, huh? Idiotic and ignorant to lay blame towards the government when it abuses power...right? Don't question the government, it's here for us; Zyphlin would disagree with that.
Ahh, here comes the libertarian version of Godwin's law. Yes Ikari, yes, channel the founders. Let them flow through you. I'm sure you're got the spirit of jefferson and washington speaking right in your ears, let it out.They'll protect us, and their usurpation of power shouldn't bother us. Move along, nothing to see here. What's idiotic is ignoring the warnings of the founders.
Well, glad I don't have absolute trust in the government. Wow glad I'm not abdicating duties and responsabilities or abandoning the battle for freedom. Glad I've not turned my back on things. Glad I'm not just being a hyperly paranoid person parroting the standard hyper libertarian talking points while giving out no specifics and acting hysterical about the big bad government while at the same time being absolutely inconsistant as I MASSIVELY misrepresent the viewpoint of the person disagreeing with me.What's stupid is absolute trust in the government. What's ignorant is the abdication of the duties and responsibilities of freemen, the abandonment of the never ending battle of freedom, and tuning one's back to the Republic in favor of oligopoly. Weak individuals who can't accept the responsibilities and consequences of freedom and liberty. Pathetic.
Phew, for a moment there I thought your little rant was actually going to apply to me.