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Schwarzenegger seeks debate on marijuana legalization

The entire war on drugs, marijuana in particular, is absurd.

most of the problems associated with drug use are caused by the war on drugs, not by the drugs themselves.

not to mention that the US spends billions of dollars every year on this futile effort. the price of drugs is going down and the availability is going up, while we're spending more and more money on prohibition efforts.

I say decriminalize, tax, and regulate all drugs. but, if we have to start somewhere, start with marijuana.
 
Funny how in the desperate effort of Governments to find revenue at any cost, we now have Governments who have spent decades trying to stop people from smoking now wanting them to smoke. :rofl

Yes, I know, sucking marijuana smoke into your lungs causes NO harm.
;)
 
"Who's your daddy, and what does he do?"
 
Truth Detector said:
Funny how in the desperate effort of Governments to find revenue at any cost, we now have Governments who have spent decades trying to stop people from smoking now wanting them to smoke. :rofl

Yes, I know, sucking marijuana smoke into your lungs causes NO harm.
;)
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But let's not forget that it is the smoker's decision on whether to suck smoke into his lungs, not the government's. That is the Conservative ideal. Regulation of people's private lives is the Liberal one.
 
danarhea said:
But let's not forget that it is the smoker's decision on whether to suck smoke into his lungs, not the government's. That is the Conservative ideal. Regulation of people's private lives is the Liberal one.
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No no no, the "conservative" ideal for some is it's ok for the government to regulate the private lives of people so long as that regulation is for things they like. For instance, drug prohibition, FCC censorship, making sure Intelligent Design is in the science class room, and banning same-sex marriage. Those are nasty bad things and people can't be trusted with those freedoms. The liberal ideal is those guys expanding government into what the "conservatives" like, such as gun restrictions, smoking bans, and private property rights. Duh.
 
danarhea said:
But let's not forget that it is the smoker's decision on whether to suck smoke into his lungs, not the government's. That is the Conservative ideal. Regulation of people's private lives is the Liberal one.
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I am not certain using illicit drugs is a Conservative ideal; however it is absolutely true that sucking smoke into one's lungs is a purely personal decision and if it does not affect those around you, by all means smoke!

But my comments were about the irony of Liberals wanting to stop everyone from smoking and passing laws to put the cigarette industry out of business yet now, when strapped with the realities of their out of control spending, want to legalize pot, but not on principle, but purely to find another source of revenue.

So the next LOGICAL step is to analyze what will happen if they indeed legalize pot and start to tax its use; but alas, in a debate like this, logic is the first victim.
 
Ikari said:
No no no, the "conservative" ideal for some is it's ok for the government to regulate the private lives of people so long as that regulation is for things they like. For instance, drug prohibition, FCC censorship, making sure Intelligent Design is in the science class room, and banning same-sex marriage. Those are nasty bad things and people can't be trusted with those freedoms. The liberal ideal is those guys expanding government into what the "conservatives" like, such as gun restrictions, smoking bans, and private property rights. Duh.
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So in your diatribe searching for a purpose, do you think that ONLY Conservatives wish to keep pot illegal?

How trite and typical yet consistent with most of your other uninformed diatribes about reality, politics and raising children.
 
Truth Detector said:
So in your diatribe searching for a purpose, do you think that ONLY Conservatives wish to keep pot illegal?

How trite and typical yet consistent with most of your other uninformed diatribes about reality, politics and raising children.
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No, the point was that there are people who claim conservatism, but are in actuality big government statists. Missed that train again...I'll try to slow it down for you next time.
 
Truth Detector said:
I am not certain using illicit drugs is a Conservative ideal; however it is absolutely true that sucking smoke into one's lungs is a purely personal decision and if it does not affect those around you, by all means smoke!

But my comments were about the irony of Liberals wanting to stop everyone from smoking and passing laws to put the cigarette industry out of business yet now, when strapped with the realities of their out of control spending, want to legalize pot, but not on principle, but purely to find another source of revenue.

So the next LOGICAL step is to analyze what will happen if they indeed legalize pot and start to tax its use; but alas, in a debate like this, logic is the first victim.
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The Conservative ideal is to let the SMOKER decide for himself whether or not he wants to smoke. Smoking weed might not be a great ideal for you or me, but if you are Conservative, then you realize that what somebody else does is none of your business, and you support a person's right to do something, and also support his having to accept responsibility for his decision. To require regulation of his or her smoking or not smoking is the stuff that Liberal nanny states are made of.

I bolded the first part of your statement, although you do clear the air in the second part, when you say "Yes, it is the smoker's business, and none of ours". I just wanted to emphasize the first because I hate nanny governments who want to look after me for my own good.
 
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Ikari said:
No, the point was that there are people who claim conservatism, but are in actuality big government statists. Missed that train again...I'll try to slow it down for you next time.
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In other words, your desperate anti-Conservative rhetoric had NOTHING to do with the thread topic again; thank you for the clarification, and as for your train comment, for you it is more along the lines of riding the slow bus. :2wave:
 
danarhea said:
The Conservative ideal is to let the SMOKER decide for himself whether or not he wants to smoke. Smoking weed might not be a great ideal for you or me, but if you are Conservative, then you realize that what somebody else does is none of your business, and you support a person's right to do something, and also support his having to accept responsibility for his decision. To require regulation of his or her smoking or not smoking is the stuff that Liberal nanny states are made of.

I bolded the first part of your statement, although you do clear the air in the second part, when you say "Yes, it is the smoker's business, and none of ours". I just wanted to emphasize the first because I hate nanny governments who want to look after me for my own good.
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I understand your point and angst about "nanny" governments; I feel the same. But my arguments are based in those realities and not this ideal that will never exist.

All forms of stable Government will require some form of this "nanny" state you deride; that is a simple fact.

Now, if they decide to legalize pot, that will be the new law and I will abide by it; but it is a profound and typical double standard I see with Liberal Democrats who on one hand deride the BIG nasty cigarette companies for killing their customers and pass laws that basically outlaw them, but then in the name of ever increasing needs to cover their spending would promote the legalization of pot so they can tax is as being ironic.

Who do these politicians think will provide for all this “legally” packaged pot now?
 
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In other words, your desperate anti-Conservative rhetoric had NOTHING to do with the thread topic again; thank you for the clarification, and as for your train comment, for you it is more along the lines of riding the slow bus. :2wave:
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I was responding to Dan's posts. And that post wasn't anti-Conservative. It was anti-Conservative poser. Me thinks you protest too much.
 
Eh. I'll accept legalization with a grudge. I hate the drug and would like nothing more than for it to cease existing, but as long as that's not happening, and as long as an age limit is imposed, I can accept an action that will make people stop bitching about nothing.
 
Dav said:
Eh. I'll accept legalization with a grudge. I hate the drug and would like nothing more than for it to cease existing, but as long as that's not happening, and as long as an age limit is imposed, I can accept an action that will make people stop bitching about nothing.
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People will bitch about having the munchies instead. :mrgreen:
 
Why do we need a debate? It was made illegal based on falsehoods and it's been kept illegal thanks to the money our government makes from pharmaceutical companies. No more debates. Legalize it.
 
Dav said:
Eh. I'll accept legalization with a grudge. I hate the drug and would like nothing more than for it to cease existing, but as long as that's not happening, and as long as an age limit is imposed, I can accept an action that will make people stop bitching about nothing.
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Marijuna is the cure for the stock market, im not even joking. How the fu.ck has no one spotted this. Either everyone on this forum is a fuc.king idiot, or im just a plane genius. I figured both though. Look, if Marijuana is legalized, and people smoke it, think about how much more food we will be buying as a result. Money will be pouring in left, right and centre. The stock market will go through the roof and naturally, through drugs, we will gain loads of confidence in the market. The catering sector is the cute for this economic meltdown. How do you think the meltdown even occured? Why not before? Because there has never been so little people smoking weed, thats why. Back during the great depression, if our great grandfathers had any sense, they would have legalized weed and essentially ended the depression the comming week. If obama does this, all this recession nonsense ends.

I hope he legalizes.
 
kaya'08 said:
Marijuna is the cure for the stock market, im not even joking. How the fu.ck has no one spotted this. Either everyone on this forum is a fuc.king idiot, or im just a plane genius. I figured both though. Look, if Marijuana is legalized, and people smoke it, think about how much more food we will be buying as a result. Money will be pouring in left, right and centre. The stock market will go through the roof and naturally, through drugs, we will gain loads of confidence in the market. The catering sector is the cute for this economic meltdown. How do you think the meltdown even occured? Why not before? Because there has never been so little people smoking weed, thats why. Back during the great depression, if our great grandfathers had any sense, they would have legalized weed and essentially ended the depression the comming week. If obama does this, all this recession nonsense ends.

I hope he legalizes.
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Its a joke. :mrgreen:
Mr. Hussein needs to stop wasting his time on BS petty issues and actually do a favour for us like cleaning up our mortgages instead of paying for the CEO's bonuses at Chrysler.

EDIT: Dont even know why i said "us", im not American. But you get the gist.
 
Hatuey said:
Why do we need a debate? It was made illegal based on falsehoods and it's been kept illegal thanks to the money our government makes from pharmaceutical companies. No more debates. Legalize it.
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My guess is to present the facts out in the open "officially" so no one can claim that its just the evil pot heads who dont want to work.
 
I think that it's mainly alcohol and tobacco company's,that want it kept illegal,and they pay our politicians to keep it that way.Because they would lose a boat load of money if it's legalized.
 
rudedog said:
I think that it's mainly alcohol and tobacco company's,that want it kept illegal,and they pay our politicians to keep it that way.Because they would lose a boat load of money if it's legalized.
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DOG, I hear you load and clear, and I feel your pain. The biggest short comeings in our governments decissions, on many issues, is that the due process is very often bought and sold. Many thousands of good men and women are rotting in prisson over the "evil weed"... Canibus Sativa. Legaliized and made retro, the change would set these people free, and for those who did there time, hopefuly open the doors to employment, and educational/college grants, which would end there life sentences of poverty.

...to say nothing of the tax glut, to be had by Uncle, on growers, distridutors, and users.

Like some anonymous fellow said when they ended prohibition,..."LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL". :)
 
I think that the inevitable giggling and double entendre stoner jokes that accompany any attempt at a sober (look I can't resist it either) discussion regarding pot legalization are a big barrier to legalization.
 
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