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Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

obvious Child said:
Minor. Hypothetically, say you give a 500 employees a million dollar bonus. That's an additional $500 million expense in wages. Now, say you give 50,000 employees wage bumps every year of 2% for 10 years and the average salary is $50,000. In the tenth year, costs have spiraled from $2.5 billion to, wait for it: $3.047 trillion (2,500,000,000*(1.02^10).A large corporation cannot afford such salary increases over time. Especially when many employees don't produce that much money compared to how much they cost.
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Oh yeah sure ...

Big executives who produce NOTHING get huge salaries and bonues and they keep that in balance by sending the jobs of the working class to India.

Some of them are getting $29 Million per year.... and yet they have the sheer unmitigated nerve to complain about the cost of employing American technical support agents.

It's bull**** rhetoric.

I say make the CEOs work for what they are willing to pay those people in India.



Can you NOT see the problem here?
 
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Vader said:
WRONG.

Once captialism begins to kill the ecomony --- it must be curb-checked.

Every once in a great while the invisible hand that runs the ecomony needs to be slapped.
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Capitalism doesn't kill the economy.

It's not capitalism creating the Death to Business atmosphere of America, no.

It's socialism and collectivism and the bizarre belief that what really belongs to the owners of the company should belong to some greedy mob that did nothing to create the company or grow it.

Get rid of the anti-capitalist forces and business will come back.

Here's an idea: Completely eliminate 100% of all corporate income and capital gainst taxation.
 
Vader said:
Oh yeah sure ...

Big executives who produce NOTHING get huge salaries and bonues and they keep that in balance by sending the jobs of the working class to India.
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And you have proof they produce nothing? Or is that just more mindless Vader garbage talk?

Some of them are getting $29 Million per year.... and yet they have the sheer unmitigated nerve to complain about the cost of employing American technical support agents.
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Look at the equation I gave you. Explain to me how a firm can sustain that level of wage expenses.

Can you NOT see the problem here?
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oh I can. It's your view on things. Are CEOs payed too much? Probably. Does that mean we abandon Capitalism? No.
 
Vader said:
**** the overpaid executive side--- they can eat a ****ing dick! They are nothing but greedy bastards who deserved to be forced to work for the horrible wages they pay their non-executives.
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Do you own stock in the company?

Then you have no interest or stake in the compensation paid to it's employees...not at any level.

Vader said:
Unless they are fixing their prices ... which happens more often than you think.
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Oh, that's collusion, if they're charging exactly the same, and if one's charging less, the evil bastard is trying to corner the market, and if another is charging more, he's exploiting the masses.

Must be nice to be so full of internal contradictions like you socialists are. You can't keep the straight, so you expect us to do it for you.

Vader said:
High priced? Have you seen what these scum-sucking executives are getting payed? If anything, their jobs should be outsourced.
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Buy some stock in a company, then stage a shareholders revolt, then.

That's the legal way of doing things.

Otherwise, quit whining, it literally is none of your business.

Vader said:
People who called American labor "overpriced" are living in a dream world.
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No. If a union-goon telephone answering shop in Kentucky charges $15 an hour when a free-market shop in Bangalore charges $4 an hour, by definition, the union goons are overpriced and deserve to lose their jobs.

Simple economics.

People should NEVER be required to pay more than a service or product is worth.

Vader said:
Why should the working class suffer so some grossly overpaid, ****-sucking executive wants to pay less on labor (except for himself and his fellow executive ********ers) so that he can get a bigger bonus.
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Are you sure about the sexual practices of the management, or are you wishing you were one? In either case, and you cite the relevance for the record?

Vader said:
Your logic is flawed and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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My logic is perfect.

I don't own the company, ergo, it's not my business to interfere.

Vader said:
Republicans INVENTED corporate welfare. Quit tyring to pass the blame for an evil YOUR PARTY caused.
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I didn't know FDR was a Republican, and I'm a Libertarian, besides.

Vader said:
I joined the Navy to get the government to pay my way through college and law school.
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And you're still expecting others to pay your way, I see.
 
jamesrage said:
Putting America at the mercy of other nations by shipping all our manufacturing jobs is un-American.
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Crafting legislation that makes it impossible to turn a profit without moving the shop overseas is unamerican.

Taking care of one's own business is as American as the Boston Tea Party.

jamesrage said:
It not un-American to impose tariffs to protect jobs and allow American companies to be able to compete with foriegn companies(outsourced companies are no longer American)
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Yes it is. This isn't a itsy-bitsy weak struggling nation confronted with a merchantilistic mother empire eager to win by economic warfare what it couldn't win by bullets. The US of A is a all grown up now. Tariffs do one thing....make products more expensive, all across the board.

Bush imposed tariffs on imported steel. What happened? The cost of all products using steel rose, forcing wage pressures on many industries. Great job Bushy, as if we couldn't have told you that was going to happen.

jamesrage said:
What is wrong paying two men who have worked the same number of years and done the same amount of work equal pay?
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Perhaps their boss prefers the feel of a bald head? What I do know is, guess what? It's not the government job to interfere in such business decisions.

jamesrage said:
These wage laws are to ensure we do not have Andrew Carnige steel workers wages.
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Instead, people who spend their days standing in one spot turning a screwdriver can own two houses, a boat, and retire at 80% wages and full medical coverage, while people with real skills can't afford the cars they're making.

Anyone really wonder why GM and Chrysler are going belly up?

jamesrage said:
Because if employers though out the country all started paying wages of a dollar or less then you really wouldn't have a choice to refuse if you were in dire need of work.
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Since people won't work for a buck an hour, I'm not sure why you're introducing your fantasies and secret irrational fears into the discussion.

jamesrage said:
Employers wish to expand their supply of labor through outsourcing and illegal immigration so they can justify not paying a man his worth for his work.
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If they can find a man to work for $10 an hour, the man demanding $20 an hour is worth half of what he's asking.

That's how 'worth' is defined in a free market.

jamesrage said:
No ,those companies have outsourced because labor is cheaper.
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As good a reason as any.

In fact, none better.

jamesrage said:
It why dishonest companies hire illegals,its to pocket more money by cutting corners.
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Related but different issue.

jamesrage said:
Again those companies seemed to be doing just fine before WTO.
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Ah, you must mean before the Trilateral Commission, right?
 
Vader said:
Any company that has sent jobs once held by Americans overseas is guilty of outsourcing.
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Since it's not a crime, they're not guilty of anything.

Vader said:
Any company outsourcing jobs to countries other than the United States must be forced to lose all tax breaks and pay a 25% outsourcing penalty.
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Why?

Explain the economic ramifications of forcing companies to consume labor at five times the global rates, not forgetting to discuss the fact that consumer prices are defined by company overhead costs, and certainly make sure you explain how your scheme will affect corporate sales and indivdual buying power, including the purchasing power of those people laid off as the economy completely collapses under what you're demanding.
 
Vader said:
Again ... I WAS TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
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Why restrict your demands to only that? Is it a national security industry, or simply a prima-donna industry overcrowded with ignorant tech geeks that can't find other employment or girlfriends?

Vader said:
I cannot see why paying A+ certified Americans to do the work that non-certified 3rd worlders are doing is a bad thing.
Vader said:
Because it doesn't take a neurosurgeon to stitch a cut finger, and it doesn't need an A+ "certified American" to re-install a video driver.

Vader said:
Big business doesn't want to pay Americans a fair wage --- this is bull****. If these businesses are worried about execessive wages, THEY CAN GIVING THEIR EXECUTIVES OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
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Clue for Vader:

You're not the arbiter of what's "fair".
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jamesrage said:
When its done so at the expense of screwing America out of manufacturing companies and Americans out of their jobs.
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You mean the owners of the company have to choose between "screwing Americans out of jobs" or getting screwed by Americans?

Not a hard choice. I don't live in San Francisco, so I like being on the giving end of a good screwing. I choose outsourcing and then I get to keep my money.


jamesrage said:
How is it equal playing field when companies outsource for cheaper labor?
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There some reason the labor in this country can't accept less pay?

They're clearly over priced, so they need to either get with the program or find a different opera house to cry in.

Here's a clue: No one owes them a living.

Chew on that one for a while.
 
Goobieman said:
Of course -- I've said for some time now that if you dont want yout job outsourced, then get a job that can't be outsourced.

I had someone then tell me that those jobs could be efefctively outsourced by unskilled and/or illegal immigrants, who would work for less pay.
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No, a good carpenter is a highly skilled man.

And I understand what the word "illegal" in "illegal immigration" means, as I am sure you do, too.
 
Vader said:
That is pure republican bull****.

Those jobs belong in this country.

PERIOD.

END OF STORY.

You need to lose your job to due to outsourcing. Then you will have a better prospective.
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Ah.

Well, for some strange reason, I can't lose my job to outsourcing.

Like Indiana Jones, I chose wisely.

Computer geeks did not.
 
obvious Child said:
Actually, completely free Capitalism is self defeating as it ends in monopolies eliminating the framework for capitalism and replacing it with a very unfree, uncompetitive system.
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Actually, completely free economies can't construct coercive monopolies.

Better luck next time.
 
obvious Child said:
And you have proof they produce nothing? Or is that just more mindless Vader garbage talk?
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They do NOTHING but make uneeded rules. They DO NOT produce income for the company.


obvious Child said:
Look at the equation I gave you. Explain to me how a firm can sustain that level of wage expenses.
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By eliminating extreme and outrageous pay and perks for executives. Companies like Microsoft have no problem footing the bill. They choose not to because they want higher pay and perks for themselves.

obvious Child said:
oh I can. It's your view on things. Are CEOs payed too much? Probably. Does that mean we abandon Capitalism? No.
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There is NO probably about it. CEOs and executives are overpaid. They need to be forced to work for what they are willing to pay others. This will fix their ****ing greed.
 
Kandahar said:
How are you going to DETERMINE if they're the same job? Form a government committee to interview the laid off American workers, then go to India and investigate the job responsibilities, then compare them? What if the Indian government tells them to **** off, as they should?
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Stop making excuses for corporate corruption.

**** India. American companies need to be employing Americans FIRST and FOREMOST.

Kandahar said:
The first statement here contradicts the other statement. If Wal-Mart closes a store in Milwaukee and opens one in Mumbai, how is that different than GM closing a plant in Detroit and opening one in Delhi? Both are American companies with American employees.
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I am shocked and surprised at the sheer number of times you've missed this point.

The store is in India and is run by Indians it is NOT OUTSOURCING. It's American company with a store on foreign soil. It's merely globalization. McDonald's, Burger King, and other fast food companies have been doing this for years.

It is NOT OUTSOURCING.

Kandahar said:
Other countries would (and do) retaliate every time we raise our barriers to trade. Look at Bush's steel tariffs for a perfect example of this. Europe quickly retaliated, hurting us more than we hurt them (although everyone was hurt). These destructive beggar-thy-neighbor policies just keep EVERYONE poorer than they otherwise would be...and they rarely even accomplish their intended goal.
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More anti-American, pro-business, republicanazi excuse making.

American companies need to be employing American citizens. Illegal immigrants need to be deported back to their country of origin. I know the republicanazis don't support this because it means an end to cheap illegal labor.

**** those nazi business scumbags. They WILL employ Americans first or they WILL be out of business.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Ah.

Well, for some strange reason, I can't lose my job to outsourcing.

Like Indiana Jones, I chose wisely.

Computer geeks did not.
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Spoken like a true republicanazi business executive.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Vader said:
Stop making excuses for corporate corruption.

**** India. American companies need to be employing Americans FIRST and FOREMOST.
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I noticed you didn't respond to any of my questions there...just more insults. Tell me, do you honestly believe that what you're doing is a rational form of debate?

Vader said:
I am shocked and surprised at the sheer number of times you've missed this point.

The store is in India and is run by Indians it is NOT OUTSOURCING. It's American company with a store on foreign soil. It's merely globalization. McDonald's, Burger King, and other fast food companies have been doing this for years.

It is NOT OUTSOURCING.
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Outsourcing IS globalization.

So you're OK with General Motors closing a plant in Detroit and opening one in Delhi, as long as it caters to the Indian market? What if the plant in Detroit previously made cars that were exported to India?

Vader said:
More anti-American, pro-business, republicanazi excuse making.
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You know, some of the folks on the lower end of the intellectual totem pole at least ATTEMPT to make reasonable arguments. You aren't even trying, you're just hurling insult after insult.

Vader said:
American companies need to be employing American citizens. Illegal immigrants need to be deported back to their country of origin. I know the republicanazis don't support this because it means an end to cheap illegal labor.

**** those nazi business scumbags. They WILL employ Americans first or they WILL be out of business.
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No facts, counterarguments to my points, or attempts at reasoning. Just more insults, hysteria, and emotion-filled opinion based on nothing. :doh
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Actually, completely free economies can't construct coercive monopolies.

Better luck next time.
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Incorrect. Completely free capitalistic economies have none of the regulation and framework to prevent firms from accumulating sufficent power to shutdown competition and produce obstacles to entry that deter everyone. Your statement is a failure to understand what Capitalism is. Completely free capitalistic economies turn into completely unfree monopoly driven economies. Completely free capitalistic economies is Anarchy. And Anarchy is a revolution that eventually consumes its own.
 
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Kandahar said:
I noticed you didn't respond to any of my questions there...just more insults. Tell me, do you honestly believe that what you're doing is a rational form of debate?
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Sure I did.


Kandahar said:
Outsourcing IS globalization.
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Outsouring is BULL****.


Kandahar said:
So you're OK with General Motors closing a plant in Detroit and opening one in Delhi, as long as it caters to the Indian market? What if the plant in Detroit previously made cars that were exported to India?
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I never said that. 1. Indians DO NOT MAKE CARS THAT ARE SOLD IN THE U.S.; 2. GM gets ZERO sympathy. Their corporate corruption ****ed them.... so **** them and the horse they rode in on.

Kandahar said:
You know, some of the folks on the lower end of the intellectual totem pole at least ATTEMPT to make reasonable arguments. You aren't even trying, you're just hurling insult after insult.
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Your disagreement with my retorts to your mindless republican rhetoric doesn't make me dumb and you smart. It makes me a realist and you a confused supporter of corporate tyranny.

Kandahar said:
No facts, counterarguments to my points, or attempts at reasoning. Just more insults, hysteria, and emotion-filled opinion based on nothing. :doh
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Yet more lies and bull**** from you.
 
Vader said:
They do NOTHING but make uneeded rules. They DO NOT produce income for the company.
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I take it you're willing to tell your supervisor/manager they produce no income for the company you work for? :rofl

By eliminating extreme and outrageous pay and perks for executives. Companies like Microsoft have no problem footing the bill.
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Microsoft cannot afford a trillion dollar wage expense.

More mindless garbage. Why do we bother with you?
 
obvious Child said:
I take it you're willing to tell your supervisor/manager they produce no income for the company you work for? :rofl
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Yes. That is correct.


Executives are NOT worth what they are paid. Microsoft can certain afford to pay Americans to do those jobs.


obvious Child said:
More mindless garbage. Why do we bother with you?
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Oh stiffle yourself.

We do not need republicanazi spokespersons here.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Vader, do you think we should make it illegal for foreign companies to have operations inside the U.S. where they will employ American workers?
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As long as Americans own the land and the buildings those business are in, no, I do not.

I do believe it should be illegal for foreigners to buy land in America or American businesses.

We need keep America in the hands of Americans.

No to Japan
No to Middle East
No to all NON-Americans who want to buy American property.
 
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