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Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

Besides taxes, over the top regulations are another reason corporations send jobs overseas. Why isn't Obama looking at these as well? This will do nothing
Lets not forget one of the promary reasons jobs are sent overseas -- labor costs.

When will The Obama act to make the US labiot market more competitve with those overseas?
 
Lets not forget one of the promary reasons jobs are sent overseas -- labor costs.

When will The Obama act to make the US labiot market more competitve with those overseas?

That is the reason many democrats and republicans in congress are against this latest tax change. They argue that there must be a decrease in the corporate tax here in the states and an outsourcing tax hike, in order to turn the balance in favor of U.S. workers.
 
That is the reason many democrats and republicans in congress are against this latest tax change. They argue that there must be a decrease in the corporate tax here in the states and an outsourcing tax hike, in order to turn the balance in favor of U.S. workers.
There's much more to it than finessing the corporate tax here -- if a company can get someone to do the same work somwhere else at a significantly lower net cost, it will.

A global economy means a global labor marketplace -- like it or not, US workers must compete with workers all over the world. Competition, especaially in a situation with high supply and low demand, lowers prices.

And so, I ask again: When will The Obama act to make the US labor market more competitve with those overseas?
 
Your hero's gonna have Government Motors import cars from China. Any comment on that?

It's one half of what GM should have done according to Forbes. Maybe they'll finally get around to splitting the company in in half to service the World demand and US demand separately.
 
It is amusing that you think this is somehow going to return jobs to America. There is only ONE outcome from this kind of desperate grasp for revenues to pay for an unprecedented and almost criminally negligent $1.8 trillion deficit; fewer jobs for everyone, higher taxes for everyone, fewer corporations doing business in America and a flight of capital which is the engine of economic growth.

Thank you for in depth and thorough explanation of the economic complexities involved.:roll::roll:

It just begs the question... Because?
 
Lets not forget one of the promary reasons jobs are sent overseas -- labor costs.

When will The Obama act to make the US labiot market more competitve with those overseas?

You want factory workers in America to earn less, perhaps equivelent to the pay in BanglaDesh? Is this Republican ideology or just your own bright idea?
 
You want factory workers in America to earn less, perhaps equivelent to the pay in BanglaDesh? Is this Republican ideology or just your own bright idea?
Much to my surprise, you didnt answer my question:
When will The Obama act to make the US labiot market more competitve with those overseas?
 
Much to my surprise, you didnt answer my question:
When will The Obama act to make the US labiot market more competitve with those overseas?

I cannot answer when, but how, if you so are inclined, is by the old ways of placing tariffs on products made abroad, just as the Chinese and others do to U.S. manufactured goods. By doing so, coupled of course with tax incentives for corporations, you create a level playing field.

However, seeing as how Chinese wages are increasing 13% annually, it may not take long for the field to level on its own. In India unionization is on the rise, this will lead to higher costs abroad, so altogether the plans will indeed show benefit.
 
I cannot answer when, but how, if you so are inclined, is by the old ways of placing tariffs on products made abroad, just as the Chinese and others do to U.S. manufactured goods. By doing so, coupled of course with tax incentives for corporations, you create a level playing field.
This sort of thing only creates economic isolation and invites retalliation. This strains relations, which, in the global marketplace, is a bad idea.

However, seeing as how Chinese wages are increasing 13% annually, it may not take long for the field to level on its own.
Hmm. The free market that created the outsourcing is the same free market that will correct it.
Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work?
 
You want factory workers in America to earn less, perhaps equivelent to the pay in BanglaDesh? Is this Republican ideology or just your own bright idea?

PROVE to me that lower wages in Bangladesh aren't the result of lower productivity. Because, if is almost always the case, lower productivity means lower payment, then companies aren't getting anything from evil "cheap labor". Maybe the gigantic taxes imposed on them in the U.S. and the regulations imposed by the government and labor unions there incite companies to leave instead?

I cannot answer when, but how, if you so are inclined, is by the old ways of placing tariffs on products made abroad, just as the Chinese and others do to U.S. manufactured goods. By doing so, coupled of course with tax incentives for corporations, you create a level playing field.

However, seeing as how Chinese wages are increasing 13% annually, it may not take long for the field to level on its own. In India unionization is on the rise, this will lead to higher costs abroad, so altogether the plans will indeed show benefit.

Tariffs do absolutely nothing except make everyone pay higher prices than necessary. Why do you seem so happy that people are paying higher prices for things as India gets unionized?
 
PROVE to me that lower wages in Bangladesh aren't the result of lower productivity. Because, if is almost always the case, lower productivity means lower payment, then companies aren't getting anything from evil "cheap labor". Maybe the gigantic taxes imposed on them in the U.S. and the regulations imposed by the government and labor unions there incite companies to leave instead?



Tariffs do absolutely nothing except make everyone pay higher prices than necessary. Why do you seem so happy that people are paying higher prices for things as India gets unionized?

It is not about paying higher prices, it is about the exploitation of cheap labor. You seem to think companies are paying the same, yet profits show things differently. If you wish for the low prices to remain, then the workforce at home must find something new to do. How do you retrain the entire workforce, or allow them to retrain themselves, when they have no jobs to afford the ever-rising cost of higher-education. And tariffs do work, they work to give advantage to the home team, not a foreign economy.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/business/global/06tax.html?hpw

Let's see how the Right will spin this....higher taxes? socialism? Obama is making a concrete step to return jobs to America, and I can't wait to read why the Right is against it.

Can the Left be against this stupid policy too?

Altering the tax code in a misguided attempt to keep jobs in this country is foolish. Outsourcing jobs makes American companies more profitable and helps them reduce the price of their goods/services to their consumers. The likely outcome of this policy is that more companies will incorporate outside of the United States, with very little impact on how many workers they hire in the United States versus elsewhere.

What makes Americans entitled to those jobs anyway?
 
Obama is curtailing freedom.

'nuff said.

Honestly, global free trade is on the list of things that must be accomplished, according to Marx and Engels, before communism can arise. It lowers wages, knocks down borders, and expands the "laboring" class. So really, Obama is fighting communism.
 
The right is against it because it means they will have to pay Americans a living wage for those jobs. They don't want to do that when they can pay Hajeet in Bangalore $1.75 per week for the same work.

Makes perfect sense to me.

In a word, they are greedy and don't want to share.

Nope. "Greed" is the desire for unearned wealth, like a socialist. A capitalist seeking the best labor environment for his endeavors is being fiscally prudent. Do you shop for clothes and food at the most expensive markets in town? No? You must be greedy and unwilling to share, by your definition.

They get ZERO sympathy. I say make the ****ers pay Americans to do those jobs.

Why should they?

Lets fix our economy before we subsidize the economies of other countries.

Yes, let's do it your way. That'll fix the economy but good!
 
It is not about paying higher prices, it is about the exploitation of cheap labor. You seem to think companies are paying the same, yet profits show things differently. If you wish for the low prices to remain, then the workforce at home must find something new to do. How do you retrain the entire workforce, or allow them to retrain themselves, when they have no jobs to afford the ever-rising cost of higher-education. And tariffs do work, they work to give advantage to the home team, not a foreign economy.

If, as this article states:
U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News
...Americans are more productive than the workers of other countries, there must be something besides cheaper productivity (which is separate from cheap labor) that is encouraging businesses to leave the US.
 
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Yeah ... you make a good point.

I think I was more referring to things like tech support.

I think Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, ect ... need to be forced to bring tech support jobs back to the United States.

:)


why?

Why don't computer technicians in the US either compete in the free market place or find some other line of work? Why is it that whenever the left finds a "problem" the only solution they can ever find is to "force" someone to do it their way?
 
If, as this article states:
U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News
...Americans are more productive than the workers of other countries, there must be something besides cheaper productivity (which is separate from cheap labor) that is encouraging businesses to leave the US.

Outsourcing Jobs To Foreign Countries - Life Online

Read this article, and there are many others that argue productivity does not drop due to outsourcing, but rather increases due to the ability of companies to hire more workers and still have costs lower than would be possible in the U.S.
 
I think anything that curbs outsourcing is a good thing. No one can sit there and say they patriotic while supporting the outsourcing of American jobs,those things do not go together.

It's perfectly patriotic to support the freedom of the people who own businesses to make their own decisions about what is best for their companies.

It's completely un-American to insist those businessmen must be forced to stay on the oppressive business environment of the United States.

Why are companies outsourcing? Wage expenses, overhead expenses, benefit expenses, taxes, and regulations.

Want those companies to do business in the US? Rectify their problems, don't stick a gun in their face and say "or else".
 
Honestly, global free trade is on the list of things that must be accomplished, according to Marx and Engels, before communism can arise. It lowers wages, knocks down borders, and expands the "laboring" class. So really, Obama is fighting communism.

yeah, whatever.

Obama is a socialist and if he thought he wasn't promoting socialism, he wouldn't be doing it.

The reality is that free men don't need permission from their government to business with other free men.

The reality is that using the tax code to punish behavior, as people on this thread propose, is the most certain way of forcing whole businesses off shore.

Then what?
 
PROVE to me that lower wages in Bangladesh aren't the result of lower productivity.

Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.
 
Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.

...And I am very much open to the idea that this is true. But I would like to see proof first, as from what I have seen wages and productivity are almost always correlated.
 
Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.

Man, you need to inform yourself before making off the wall emotional claims.

The cost of living in these places is way different than in the U.S. that and would you rather work for $4 day and eat or not work and not eat.

Another thing you can do instead of working for $4 a day is rummage through garbage and hope to get enough from scrap to feed yourself.
Lets hope you don't get a cut with an infection.
 
Can the Left be against this stupid policy too?

Altering the tax code in a misguided attempt to keep jobs in this country is foolish. Outsourcing jobs makes American companies more profitable and helps them reduce the price of their goods/services to their consumers. The likely outcome of this policy is that more companies will incorporate outside of the United States, with very little impact on how many workers they hire in the United States versus elsewhere.

What makes Americans entitled to those jobs anyway?

Did he say this was going to increase jobs? I dont see that outcome from this plan. It appears to me to be more about seeking increased revenues. After the first quarters pointless binge spending spree we will be in dire need of revenues.
 
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