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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yep more pro-business bull****.
    Computer tech support jobs WILL NOT be replaced by automation. Those jobs belong in the United States.... not in bum **** India or the slums of Manilla.
    Then, computer tech support people in the US need to be willing to work for less $ in order to compete with the people in Manilia or India.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    1. WRONG. When companies outsource and send jobs to other countries ... Americans become unemployed. Unemployment damages the economy. Now ... think larger ... think of what happens when ALL COMPANIES DO THIS WITHOUT BEING CHECKED!!!!!
    Well, that's pretty narrow-minded.

    When a company sources it's labor expense outside, it decreases it's operating costs, which either improves the profitability of the company (often making it possible to remain in business), which translates to either higher dividends to share-holders, who...go out and either spend the money in the local economy or re-invest in other companies, or the money is re-invested into the company, again improving it's standing in the market and possibly the development of new endeavors that grow the company further.

    On the other side, the company is typically charging less to remain competitive with others in the market, and when companies are competing for market share by pulling down prices, the consumer benefits because the dollars they're not spending that service can be either invested or spent as the consumer sees fit.

    The only people not benefitted by outsourcing are the overpriced employees who made outsourcing an economic interest in the first place.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    2. Big companies are by definition ... dishonest and not worthy of being helped. I DO NOT support corporate welfare. That is a bull**** Republican scam used to make taxpayers pay for the greed and stupidity of corrupt corporations.
    Right. Absolutely no tax dollars are spent on corporate welfare when Democrats control either the White House or the Congress.

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    3. There is NOTHING irrational in my complete and total loathing of big business.
    Absolutely not. You're a paragon of reason and clarity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Given that I am living in a horrible economy and cannot make a decent wage because some scumbag CEO outsourced my job --- I have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO DISLIKE CORPORATIONS.
    Or...maybe you made a bad career choice.

    I joined the Navy to learn how to run a nuclear reactor, a fine career choice, then that Hanoi Jane broad decided to declare war on the United States and attacked our nuclear power industry with an ignorant propaganda screed, and the media fed that paranoia with inflated angst over a minor accident in Pennsylvania that injured no one.

    So guess what?

    Pick another damn career and quit whining. No one cares.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is completely anti-American to allow companies to outsource in the first place. Outsourcing ensures that we will be a nation that doesn't make anything even our own weapons and will be at the mercy of other countries.
    Whatever. Americans have the right to OWN property. If they're not allowed to make decisions regarding it's use, they don't "own" it. It's perfectly American to allow people to make their own business choices.

    It's perfectly un-American to deny them that freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What oppressive rules and regulations are these?
    How about starting with the ones you want imposed preventing outsourcing?

    Then we can move on to silly regulations and taxes. There's plenty.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Cheaper wages and lower tariffs. It boils down to wanting cheaper wages. Orius stated it well-

    "[I]Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    People blame domestic U.S. regulations for 'forcing' companies to go overseas, but the main reason they do so is cheap labour. Are we now suggesting that U.S. labour laws, a staple of Western democracy, are a hinderance? The hinderance is globalization which allows company's to bypass their domestic responsibilities and take their stake elsewhere. Labour works on the supply/demand curve just like commodities, and companies will go where the price is lowest to suit their bottom line.
    Yes. US labor laws are a hindrance.

    The Messiah signed into law a silly bill guaranteeing "equal pay for equal work", as if, first off, the agreements between an employer and employee aren't their private business, and secondly, as if there's been a vast conspiracy in corporate America to pay men more money because they have one swinging body part, not two.

    Labor works on the supply demand curve when employers are allowed to have equal say in that curve. Employers are not allowed to permanently replace workers who refuse to work, aka strikers, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Any documentation to show the difference between the overhead and taxes between here and India or here and China?
    No. Clearly it's twice as expensive to run manufacturing enterprises and telephone service-related functions in China and India, that's why business outsource to those places.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The solution is to get out of world trade,companies seemed to be doing just fine before WTO.
    You are aware that turtles are ecologically successfull animals only in extremely narrow niches, right?

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I wouldn't go so far as to say they are un-American, however, I don't think they should benefit from it by tax breaks and other corporate benefits for from the U.S. government if they do it.

    I hate outsourcing with a passion, but I don't think it is un-American, I think it is capitalistic and selfish.
    Nothing wrong with either capitalism or selfishness.

    Both are quintessentially American, in fact, and how this nation became great.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then, computer tech support people in the US need to be willing to work for less $ in order to compete with the people in Manilia or India.
    Or...and this is something some of my computer science friends had to learn IN COLLEGE twenty years ago, is that they didn't p ick the best major and they need to consider an alternate career choice, like electrical engineering or carpentry.

    Gotta say, ya can't outsource good carpentry.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    So Vader let me see if I have this right you want to force U.S. companys to use only more expensive American labour. Than when they want to raise prices on their goods so they stay in buisness and make a profit what than. Are you going to tell them what price they can sell their goods for. Ok so now we do that and now they are about to go out of buisness,because they are losing out to foriegn companies do you want to spend more tax dollars to keep them in buisness or let them go under and all their workers will be without jobs. Makes perfect sence to me.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then, computer tech support people in the US need to be willing to work for less $ in order to compete with the people in Manilia or India.
    WRONG.

    It's called a living wage.

    The corporate ****bags can lose their excessive bonuses so that Americans can have those jobs.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    So Vader let me see if I have this right you want to force U.S. companys to use only more expensive American labour. Than when they want to raise prices on their goods so they stay in buisness and make a profit what than. Are you going to tell them what price they can sell their goods for. Ok so now we do that and now they are about to go out of buisness,because they are losing out to foriegn companies do you want to spend more tax dollars to keep them in buisness or let them go under and all their workers will be without jobs. Makes perfect sence to me.

    Corporate welfare - NO

    Microsoft's prices are already outrageous. Microsoft's prices didn't drop when they outsourced tech support; therefore, those jobs can return to the United States and Microsoft has no reason to raise prices.

    Also --- we're talking about tech support NOT MANUFACTURING!!!!

    Although --- Dell, Gateway, ect ... should be forced to keep computer production in the United States.

    AMERICA FIRST --- BFE last.

    Finally, stop making excuses for big business.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nothing wrong with either capitalism or selfishness.

    Both are quintessentially American, in fact, and how this nation became great.
    WRONG.

    Once captialism begins to kill the ecomony --- it must be curb-checked.

    Every once in a great while the invisible hand that runs the ecomony needs to be slapped.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, that's pretty narrow-minded.

    When a company sources it's labor expense outside, it decreases it's operating costs, which either improves the profitability of the company (often making it possible to remain in business), which translates to either higher dividends to share-holders, who...go out and either spend the money in the local economy or re-invest in other companies, or the money is re-invested into the company, again improving it's standing in the market and possibly the development of new endeavors that grow the company further.
    WRONG.

    Only big business zealots and their supporters say that.

    Executives do this to increase their bonues at the expense of the American public. It's unacceptable and it needs to be outlawed.

    **** the overpaid executive side--- they can eat a ****ing dick! They are nothing but greedy bastards who deserved to be forced to work for the horrible wages they pay their non-executives.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    On the other side, the company is typically charging less to remain competitive with others in the market, and when companies are competing for market share by pulling down prices, the consumer benefits because the dollars they're not spending that service can be either invested or spent as the consumer sees fit.
    Unless they are fixing their prices ... which happens more often than you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The only people not benefitted by outsourcing are the overpriced employees who made outsourcing an economic interest in the first place.
    High priced? Have you seen what these scum-sucking executives are getting payed? If anything, their jobs should be outsourced.

    People who called American labor "overpriced" are living in a dream world. Why should the working class suffer so some grossly overpaid, cock-sucking executive wants to pay less on labor (except for himself and his fellow executive cocksuckers) so that he can get a bigger bonus.

    Your logic is flawed and you should be ashamed of yourself.

    [quote=Scarecrow Akhbar;1058031375]
    Right. Absolutely no tax dollars are spent on corporate welfare when Democrats control either the White House or the Congress.

    Republicans INVENTED corporate welfare. Quit tyring to pass the blame for an evil YOUR PARTY caused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely not. You're a paragon of reason and clarity.
    I do my best.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Or...maybe you made a bad career choice.
    Republican rhetoric. You fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I joined the Navy to learn how to run a nuclear reactor, a fine career choice, then that Hanoi Jane broad decided to declare war on the United States and attacked our nuclear power industry with an ignorant propaganda screed, and the media fed that paranoia with inflated angst over a minor accident in Pennsylvania that injured no one.

    So guess what?

    Pick another damn career and quit whining. No one cares.
    I joined the Navy to get the government to pay my way through college and law school.

    Guess what?

    I got medically discharged.

    Also ...

    Stop making excuses for corporate cocksuckery.

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