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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Econ101 FAIL

    A company cannot damage an economy. It can damage itself, and if it's really big the economy might have some temporary problems as it adjusts. But it cannot consciously harm an economy and has no incentive to anyways.

    So by that logic, big companies that fail are evil. We must punish them by... rewarding them and keeping them afloat.

    Your irrational hatred of corporatism is, however, noted.
    1. WRONG. When companies outsource and send jobs to other countries ... Americans become unemployed. Unemployment damages the economy. Now ... think larger ... think of what happens when ALL COMPANIES DO THIS WITHOUT BEING CHECKED!!!!!

    2. Big companies are by definition ... dishonest and not worthy of being helped. I DO NOT support corporate welfare. That is a bull**** Republican scam used to make taxpayers pay for the greed and stupidity of corrupt corporations.

    3. There is NOTHING irrational in my complete and total loathing of big business. Given that I am living in a horrible economy and cannot make a decent wage because some scumbag CEO outsourced my job --- I have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO DISLIKE CORPORATIONS.

    4. Stop supporting corporate tyranny.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yep more pro-business bull****.
    People liking things that produce jobs and goods/services? Bah!

    Computer tech support jobs WILL NOT be replaced by automation. Those jobs belong in the United States.... not in bum **** India or the slums of Manilla.
    Wow, now we're almost getting racist!

    Quit screaming witchunt because you and your greedy buddies don't like losing profits so that Americans have jobs.
    But wanting to punish companies is not a witchhunt at all!

    Your buddies are responsible for the economy being what it is. They created this issue with their greed-based outsourcing.
    Those greedy people actually want to make money! There cannot possibly be any positive outcome for everyone else for that.

    There are THOUSANDS OF JOBS that should never have been outsourced. People like you and the big executive scumbags who are flying around in corporate jets are responsible for the economy being in shambles.
    When things cost less, the economy is is shambles. It's basic economics!

    Pardon me for not giving a flying **** if some fat cat CEO **** tool and his stooges do not get a bonus.

    **** THEM.
    But I'm sure that your opinion is completely based on economic fact and not a jealous hatred of rich people!

    The American people come first. Big business can stop ruining the economy with their greed.
    My, you certainly dislike greed. You must be really hard-working and low-paid, because if you make any more money than you need you're being greedy!

    If fixing the economy means a bunch of overpaid CEO ****bags lose profits and or a bonus, TOO ****ING BAD.
    Losing profits=fixing economy? Strange definition of "fix"!

    They made their bad and they can ****ing sleep in it.
    Yes, how dare they hire willing people and sell products to willing consumers!

    You should focus on being an American and give up being a big business stooge.
    Because in America, we don't like people who make money! It is completely contrary to the American Dream of being successful!

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    1. WRONG. When companies outsource and send jobs to other countries ... Americans become unemployed. Unemployment damages the economy. Now ... think larger ... think of what happens when ALL COMPANIES DO THIS WITHOUT BEING CHECKED!!!!!
    Here's what happens:
    1. Things cost less
    2. Everyone gets richer (see #1)
    3. In the long run, those jobs are replaced

    2. Big companies are by definition ... dishonest and not worthy of being helped. I DO NOT support corporate welfare. That is a bull**** Republican scam used to make taxpayers pay for the greed and stupidity of corrupt corporations.
    I do not support corporate welfare either. Finally we can agree on something....

    3. There is NOTHING irrational in my complete and total loathing of big business. Given that I am living in a horrible economy and cannot make a decent wage because some scumbag CEO outsourced my job --- I have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO DISLIKE CORPORATIONS.
    The "irrational" part is equating "big business" to "bad economy".
    Tell me, what is it about a job that makes it "belong" to Americans? What right do they have over everyone else in the world that means all jobs their companies have must be filled by them?

    4. Stop supporting corporate tyranny.
    Let's support government tyranny of corporations instead, it's much better!

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    If fixing the economy means a bunch of overpaid CEO ****bags lose profits and or a bonus, TOO ****ING BAD.

    You should focus on being an American and give up being a big business stooge.
    If businesses don't make profits then businesses close down. Businesses don't exist to lose money. This is grade school economics. Our railroads helped along by paying chinese "coolies" pennies on the dollar. Our industry was helped along by paying Irish, Polish, and Mexican's to pluck chickens, spin wool, make steel, and build buildings for pennies on the dollar. This is nothing new nothing new to us.

    But competing on a global scale is a new concept that requires us to leave behind the old principles of manufacture and profit. Labor needs to be buried and left to die. As an American, I can find no justification to pay another American $18.50 per hour (starting pay btw) and full health benefits to sit in an air conditioned room and paint the same 3 panels with sealant over and over again on a crappy car that I'm not going to buy.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    People liking things that produce jobs and goods/services? Bah!
    When it damages the economy it needs to be stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But wanting to punish companies is not a witchhunt at all!
    Only those huge multinational companies that have ravaged the American economy with their greed and outsourcing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Those greedy people actually want to make money! There cannot possibly be any positive outcome for everyone else for that.
    Too bad. Their greed ends when it begins damaging the country. Don't like it? TOO BAD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    When things cost less, the economy is is shambles. It's basic economics!
    More repubi-servant rhetoric.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But I'm sure that your opinion is completely based on economic fact and not a jealous hatred of rich people!
    More republi-servant rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    My, you certainly dislike greed. You must be really hard-working and low-paid, because if you make any more money than you need you're being greedy!
    1. It's MADE not MAKE .... (English 101 will help you)
    2. You're damn right I hate greed!
    3. Your corporate masters are responsible for the economy being the way it is.
    4. You should stop being a republi-servant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Losing profits=fixing economy? Strange definition of "fix"!
    When it involves forcing corrupt corporate assbags to return jobs to this country EVEN WHEN THAT COSTS THEM MORE MONEY ..... YES, IT DOES FIX THE ECONOMY.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Yes, how dare they hire willing people and sell products to willing consumers!
    Yet more republi-servantism.

    Those tech jobs belong in this country. Americans deserve those jobs before Indians or Filipinos.

    Don't like it? TOO BAD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Because in America, we don't like people who make money! It is completely contrary to the American Dream of being successful!
    [/quote]

    When those people's greed begins to effect the economy they must be stopped.

    So please ... spare me your pro-business sellout rhetoric.

    You support the destruction of the American economy in the name of corporate profits. That makes you a traitor.

    You are no better than those who caused this country's economy to go down the toilet.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    If businesses don't make profits then businesses close down. Businesses don't exist to lose money. This is grade school economics. Our railroads helped along by paying chinese "coolies" pennies on the dollar. Our industry was helped along by paying Irish, Polish, and Mexican's to pluck chickens, spin wool, make steel, and build buildings for pennies on the dollar. This is nothing new nothing new to us.

    But competing on a global scale is a new concept that requires us to leave behind the old principles of manufacture and profit. Labor needs to be buried and left to die. As an American, I can find no justification to pay another American $18.50 per hour (starting pay btw) and full health benefits to sit in an air conditioned room and paint the same 3 panels with sealant over and over again on a crappy car that I'm not going to buy.
    Spare me your pro-business sellout speech.

    Those business caused the economy to crumble with their outsourcing. Now they can pay to fix it.

    If they don't like it, TOO DAMN BAD.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Here's what happens:
    1. Things cost less
    2. Everyone gets richer (see #1)
    3. In the long run, those jobs are replaced
    This is nothing but bull**** republican rhetoric.

    You don't see corporate CEOs losing their livelyhood to save the company money do you?

    Guess what?

    Cutting just the CEO's salary and perks would fund the entire company for a finite period of time.

    Spare me your anti-American rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I do not support corporate welfare either. Finally we can agree on something....
    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The "irrational" part is equating "big business" to "bad economy".
    Tell me, what is it about a job that makes it "belong" to Americans? What right do they have over everyone else in the world that means all jobs their companies have must be filled by them?
    The point you seem to be missing is that big business is responsible for the economy being where it is.

    Big business greed led to outsourcing.

    Outsourcing led to Americans losing their jobs.

    Americans without jobs CANNOT BUY PRODUCTS FROM STORES!!!!

    The result is a damaged economy that can only be mended by forcing greedy scumsucking CEO cocksuckers to bring jobs back to this country.

    If jobs come back to America, AMERICANS WILL HAVE JOBS!!!!! THIS MEANS ... AMERICANS WILL HAVE MONEY .... WHICH MEANS THE ECONOMY WILL GET BETTER.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Let's support government tyranny of corporations instead, it's much better!
    That is nothing but big business whining. They caused this mess and now they can LIVE WITH THE COST OF FIXING IT.

    Besides ... I didn't hear you Repuplinazis complaining about government tyranny while Bushwhacker and Shotgun Dickey were allowing you to sodomize the working class at the cost of the economy and the value of the American dollar.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO WHINE ABOUT IT.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's perfectly patriotic to support the freedom of the people who own businesses to make their own decisions about what is best for their companies.
    It is completely anti-American to allow companies to outsource in the first place. Outsourcing ensures that we will be a nation that doesn't make anything even our own weapons and will be at the mercy of other countries.


    It's completely un-American to insist those businessmen must be forced to stay on the oppressive business environment of the United States.
    What oppressive rules and regulations are these?

    Why are companies outsourcing?
    Cheaper wages and lower tariffs. It boils down to wanting cheaper wages. Orius stated it well-

    "Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    People blame domestic U.S. regulations for 'forcing' companies to go overseas, but the main reason they do so is cheap labour. Are we now suggesting that U.S. labour laws, a staple of Western democracy, are a hinderance? The hinderance is globalization which allows company's to bypass their domestic responsibilities and take their stake elsewhere. Labour works on the supply/demand curve just like commodities, and companies will go where the price is lowest to suit their bottom line.

    Just like domestic consumers will pay $100 for the foreign made t.v., companies will pay less for the foreign labour.
    "

    Wage expenses, overhead expenses, benefit expenses, taxes, and regulations.
    Any documentation to show the difference between the overhead and taxes between here and India or here and China? What so-called oppressive regulations are there that somehow kept companies from surviving before outsourcing? IS there any documentation to show that these companies were doing miserable before companies started outsourcing?


    Want those companies to do business in the US? Rectify their problems, don't stick a gun in their face and say "or else".
    The solution is to get out of world trade,companies seemed to be doing just fine before WTO.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is completely anti-American to allow companies to outsource in the first place. Outsourcing ensures that we will be a nation that doesn't make anything even our own weapons and will be at the mercy of other countries.
    I wouldn't go so far as to say they are un-American, however, I don't think they should benefit from it by tax breaks and other corporate benefits for from the U.S. government if they do it.

    I hate outsourcing with a passion, but I don't think it is un-American, I think it is capitalistic and selfish.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Those business caused the economy to crumble with their outsourcing. Now they can pay to fix it.
    Proof?

    Economy crumbling had nothing to do with outsourcing or offshoring. In fact you can look at those nice car companies as a prime example of FAIL while doing it your way.

    If a business can't cut costs then the business dies...and takes everyone with them.
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