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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The right is against it because it means they will have to pay Americans a living wage for those jobs. They don't want to do that when they can pay Hajeet in Bangalore $1.75 per week for the same work.
    Makes perfect sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    In a word, they are greedy and don't want to share.
    Nope. "Greed" is the desire for unearned wealth, like a socialist. A capitalist seeking the best labor environment for his endeavors is being fiscally prudent. Do you shop for clothes and food at the most expensive markets in town? No? You must be greedy and unwilling to share, by your definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    They get ZERO sympathy. I say make the ****ers pay Americans to do those jobs.
    Why should they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Lets fix our economy before we subsidize the economies of other countries.
    Yes, let's do it your way. That'll fix the economy but good!

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It is not about paying higher prices, it is about the exploitation of cheap labor. You seem to think companies are paying the same, yet profits show things differently. If you wish for the low prices to remain, then the workforce at home must find something new to do. How do you retrain the entire workforce, or allow them to retrain themselves, when they have no jobs to afford the ever-rising cost of higher-education. And tariffs do work, they work to give advantage to the home team, not a foreign economy.
    If, as this article states:
    U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News
    ...Americans are more productive than the workers of other countries, there must be something besides cheaper productivity (which is separate from cheap labor) that is encouraging businesses to leave the US.
    Last edited by Dav; 05-14-09 at 06:13 PM.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yeah ... you make a good point.

    I think I was more referring to things like tech support.

    I think Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, ect ... need to be forced to bring tech support jobs back to the United States.


    why?

    Why don't computer technicians in the US either compete in the free market place or find some other line of work? Why is it that whenever the left finds a "problem" the only solution they can ever find is to "force" someone to do it their way?

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    If, as this article states:
    U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News
    ...Americans are more productive than the workers of other countries, there must be something besides cheaper productivity (which is separate from cheap labor) that is encouraging businesses to leave the US.
    Outsourcing Jobs To Foreign Countries - Life Online

    Read this article, and there are many others that argue productivity does not drop due to outsourcing, but rather increases due to the ability of companies to hire more workers and still have costs lower than would be possible in the U.S.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think anything that curbs outsourcing is a good thing. No one can sit there and say they patriotic while supporting the outsourcing of American jobs,those things do not go together.
    It's perfectly patriotic to support the freedom of the people who own businesses to make their own decisions about what is best for their companies.

    It's completely un-American to insist those businessmen must be forced to stay on the oppressive business environment of the United States.

    Why are companies outsourcing? Wage expenses, overhead expenses, benefit expenses, taxes, and regulations.

    Want those companies to do business in the US? Rectify their problems, don't stick a gun in their face and say "or else".

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Honestly, global free trade is on the list of things that must be accomplished, according to Marx and Engels, before communism can arise. It lowers wages, knocks down borders, and expands the "laboring" class. So really, Obama is fighting communism.
    yeah, whatever.

    Obama is a socialist and if he thought he wasn't promoting socialism, he wouldn't be doing it.

    The reality is that free men don't need permission from their government to business with other free men.

    The reality is that using the tax code to punish behavior, as people on this thread propose, is the most certain way of forcing whole businesses off shore.

    Then what?

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    PROVE to me that lower wages in Bangladesh aren't the result of lower productivity.
    Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.
    ...And I am very much open to the idea that this is true. But I would like to see proof first, as from what I have seen wages and productivity are almost always correlated.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Are you serious? Lower wages in BanglaDesh are the result of people desperate for work. Could an American....ANY American, work for $4/day? Productivity has nothing to do with it.
    Man, you need to inform yourself before making off the wall emotional claims.

    The cost of living in these places is way different than in the U.S. that and would you rather work for $4 day and eat or not work and not eat.

    Another thing you can do instead of working for $4 a day is rummage through garbage and hope to get enough from scrap to feed yourself.
    Lets hope you don't get a cut with an infection.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Can the Left be against this stupid policy too?

    Altering the tax code in a misguided attempt to keep jobs in this country is foolish. Outsourcing jobs makes American companies more profitable and helps them reduce the price of their goods/services to their consumers. The likely outcome of this policy is that more companies will incorporate outside of the United States, with very little impact on how many workers they hire in the United States versus elsewhere.

    What makes Americans entitled to those jobs anyway?
    Did he say this was going to increase jobs? I dont see that outcome from this plan. It appears to me to be more about seeking increased revenues. After the first quarters pointless binge spending spree we will be in dire need of revenues.
    Thank you

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