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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Minor. Hypothetically, say you give a 500 employees a million dollar bonus. That's an additional $500 million expense in wages. Now, say you give 50,000 employees wage bumps every year of 2% for 10 years and the average salary is $50,000. In the tenth year, costs have spiraled from $2.5 billion to, wait for it: $3.047 trillion (2,500,000,000*(1.02^10).A large corporation cannot afford such salary increases over time. Especially when many employees don't produce that much money compared to how much they cost.
    Oh yeah sure ...

    Big executives who produce NOTHING get huge salaries and bonues and they keep that in balance by sending the jobs of the working class to India.

    Some of them are getting $29 Million per year.... and yet they have the sheer unmitigated nerve to complain about the cost of employing American technical support agents.

    It's bull**** rhetoric.

    I say make the CEOs work for what they are willing to pay those people in India.



    Can you NOT see the problem here?
    Last edited by Vader; 05-19-09 at 11:19 PM.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    WRONG.

    Once captialism begins to kill the ecomony --- it must be curb-checked.

    Every once in a great while the invisible hand that runs the ecomony needs to be slapped.
    Capitalism doesn't kill the economy.

    It's not capitalism creating the Death to Business atmosphere of America, no.

    It's socialism and collectivism and the bizarre belief that what really belongs to the owners of the company should belong to some greedy mob that did nothing to create the company or grow it.

    Get rid of the anti-capitalist forces and business will come back.

    Here's an idea: Completely eliminate 100% of all corporate income and capital gainst taxation.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Capitalism doesn't kill the economy.
    Actually, completely free Capitalism is self defeating as it ends in monopolies eliminating the framework for capitalism and replacing it with a very unfree, uncompetitive system.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Oh yeah sure ...

    Big executives who produce NOTHING get huge salaries and bonues and they keep that in balance by sending the jobs of the working class to India.
    And you have proof they produce nothing? Or is that just more mindless Vader garbage talk?

    Some of them are getting $29 Million per year.... and yet they have the sheer unmitigated nerve to complain about the cost of employing American technical support agents.
    Look at the equation I gave you. Explain to me how a firm can sustain that level of wage expenses.

    Can you NOT see the problem here?
    oh I can. It's your view on things. Are CEOs payed too much? Probably. Does that mean we abandon Capitalism? No.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    **** the overpaid executive side--- they can eat a ****ing dick! They are nothing but greedy bastards who deserved to be forced to work for the horrible wages they pay their non-executives.
    Do you own stock in the company?

    Then you have no interest or stake in the compensation paid to it's employees...not at any level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Unless they are fixing their prices ... which happens more often than you think.
    Oh, that's collusion, if they're charging exactly the same, and if one's charging less, the evil bastard is trying to corner the market, and if another is charging more, he's exploiting the masses.

    Must be nice to be so full of internal contradictions like you socialists are. You can't keep the straight, so you expect us to do it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    High priced? Have you seen what these scum-sucking executives are getting payed? If anything, their jobs should be outsourced.
    Buy some stock in a company, then stage a shareholders revolt, then.

    That's the legal way of doing things.

    Otherwise, quit whining, it literally is none of your business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    People who called American labor "overpriced" are living in a dream world.
    No. If a union-goon telephone answering shop in Kentucky charges $15 an hour when a free-market shop in Bangalore charges $4 an hour, by definition, the union goons are overpriced and deserve to lose their jobs.

    Simple economics.

    People should NEVER be required to pay more than a service or product is worth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Why should the working class suffer so some grossly overpaid, cock-sucking executive wants to pay less on labor (except for himself and his fellow executive cocksuckers) so that he can get a bigger bonus.
    Are you sure about the sexual practices of the management, or are you wishing you were one? In either case, and you cite the relevance for the record?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Your logic is flawed and you should be ashamed of yourself.
    My logic is perfect.

    I don't own the company, ergo, it's not my business to interfere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Republicans INVENTED corporate welfare. Quit tyring to pass the blame for an evil YOUR PARTY caused.
    I didn't know FDR was a Republican, and I'm a Libertarian, besides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I joined the Navy to get the government to pay my way through college and law school.
    And you're still expecting others to pay your way, I see.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Putting America at the mercy of other nations by shipping all our manufacturing jobs is un-American.
    Crafting legislation that makes it impossible to turn a profit without moving the shop overseas is unamerican.

    Taking care of one's own business is as American as the Boston Tea Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It not un-American to impose tariffs to protect jobs and allow American companies to be able to compete with foriegn companies(outsourced companies are no longer American)
    Yes it is. This isn't a itsy-bitsy weak struggling nation confronted with a merchantilistic mother empire eager to win by economic warfare what it couldn't win by bullets. The US of A is a all grown up now. Tariffs do one thing....make products more expensive, all across the board.

    Bush imposed tariffs on imported steel. What happened? The cost of all products using steel rose, forcing wage pressures on many industries. Great job Bushy, as if we couldn't have told you that was going to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What is wrong paying two men who have worked the same number of years and done the same amount of work equal pay?
    Perhaps their boss prefers the feel of a bald head? What I do know is, guess what? It's not the government job to interfere in such business decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These wage laws are to ensure we do not have Andrew Carnige steel workers wages.
    Instead, people who spend their days standing in one spot turning a screwdriver can own two houses, a boat, and retire at 80% wages and full medical coverage, while people with real skills can't afford the cars they're making.

    Anyone really wonder why GM and Chrysler are going belly up?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because if employers though out the country all started paying wages of a dollar or less then you really wouldn't have a choice to refuse if you were in dire need of work.
    Since people won't work for a buck an hour, I'm not sure why you're introducing your fantasies and secret irrational fears into the discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Employers wish to expand their supply of labor through outsourcing and illegal immigration so they can justify not paying a man his worth for his work.
    If they can find a man to work for $10 an hour, the man demanding $20 an hour is worth half of what he's asking.

    That's how 'worth' is defined in a free market.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No ,those companies have outsourced because labor is cheaper.
    As good a reason as any.

    In fact, none better.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It why dishonest companies hire illegals,its to pocket more money by cutting corners.
    Related but different issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again those companies seemed to be doing just fine before WTO.
    Ah, you must mean before the Trilateral Commission, right?

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Any company that has sent jobs once held by Americans overseas is guilty of outsourcing.
    Since it's not a crime, they're not guilty of anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Any company outsourcing jobs to countries other than the United States must be forced to lose all tax breaks and pay a 25% outsourcing penalty.
    Why?

    Explain the economic ramifications of forcing companies to consume labor at five times the global rates, not forgetting to discuss the fact that consumer prices are defined by company overhead costs, and certainly make sure you explain how your scheme will affect corporate sales and indivdual buying power, including the purchasing power of those people laid off as the economy completely collapses under what you're demanding.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Again ... I WAS TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
    Why restrict your demands to only that? Is it a national security industry, or simply a prima-donna industry overcrowded with ignorant tech geeks that can't find other employment or girlfriends?

    [quote=Vader;1058031680]I cannot see why paying A+ certified Americans to do the work that non-certified 3rd worlders are doing is a bad thing.[QUOTE=Vader;1058031680]

    Because it doesn't take a neurosurgeon to stitch a cut finger, and it doesn't need an A+ "certified American" to re-install a video driver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Big business doesn't want to pay Americans a fair wage --- this is bull****. If these businesses are worried about execessive wages, THEY CAN GIVING THEIR EXECUTIVES OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
    Clue for Vader:

    You're not the arbiter of what's "fair".

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    They are the same job. You're splitting hairs in favor of corporate corruption.
    How do you know, since no job description was included?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    More rhetoric. Other countries are NOT going to retaliate.
    Well, that's just flat ignorant.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When its done so at the expense of screwing America out of manufacturing companies and Americans out of their jobs.
    You mean the owners of the company have to choose between "screwing Americans out of jobs" or getting screwed by Americans?

    Not a hard choice. I don't live in San Francisco, so I like being on the giving end of a good screwing. I choose outsourcing and then I get to keep my money.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is it equal playing field when companies outsource for cheaper labor?
    There some reason the labor in this country can't accept less pay?

    They're clearly over priced, so they need to either get with the program or find a different opera house to cry in.

    Here's a clue: No one owes them a living.

    Chew on that one for a while.

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