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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The fact that they fired an American and hired an Indian in India to do this job makes it outsourcing.
    But it's not the same job in my example. The Americans who were laid off were "communications representatives." The Indians are "communications associates." How are you going to determine if it's the same job?

    Furthermore, what if they laid off some Americans now, due to the economic downturn...and a few years down the road when the economy recovers, they decide to hire some Indians. The two decisions were not necessarily linked in any way. Is that outsourcing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    If the store is in India, then having Indian employees in NOT outsourcing.
    Then what you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. Wal-Mart is an "American company" (whatever that means). Most of those other evil corporations you want to harass are also based in the United States. So what's the distinction?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    No, it's not. It would force big businesses to return outsourced jobs to America. This would help the American ecomony recover by providing employment (which provides spendable income) to unemployed Americans.
    It would induce other countries to retaliate and it would raise the price of goods and services to the consumers. No one wins from protectionism.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But it's not the same job in my example. The Americans who were laid off were "communications representatives." The Indians are "communications associates." How are you going to determine if it's the same job?
    They are the same job. You're splitting hairs in favor of corporate corruption.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Furthermore, what if they laid off some Americans now, due to the economic downturn...and a few years down the road when the economy recovers, they decide to hire some Indians. The two decisions were not necessarily linked in any way. Is that outsourcing?
    If the company hires Indians who work in India doing the same work Americans were doing, IT IS OUTSOURCING.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then what you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. Wal-Mart is an "American company" (whatever that means). Most of those other evil corporations you want to harass are also based in the United States. So what's the distinction?
    The difference is that the store is in India. It's not operating in the United States with a 100% Indian employee base.

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    It would induce other countries to retaliate and it would raise the price of goods and services to the consumers. No one wins from protectionism.
    More rhetoric. Other countries are NOT going to retaliate. This is a backwards Republican money-monger view of the situation. It is NOT in ANY WAY connected with reality.

    It is a republican excuse for screwing the American public while making a huge bonus.


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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So it's anti-American to provide large returns to American shareholders?
    When its done so at the expense of screwing America out of manufacturing companies and Americans out of their jobs.


    Incorrect. Outsource ensures that countries don't produce goods and services that they have disadvantages in
    Outsourcing ensures companies are
    Outsourcing ensures companies will not produce goods here in the US any company that does produce goods and services is disadvantaged when they are competing with a outsourced no longer American company.



    .
    Last I checked, America is still very good in R&D which is the backbone of the defense industry.
    That does not do any good if they are going to another country to make our weapons. All the R&D is meaningless if they have to go to another country to make our ****. If we go to war with China or one of their allies or if China goes to war against use or one of their allies goes to war against us do you think China is still going to sell us cheap goods,do you think China is going to buy what things we export other than jobs?


    The ones you are calling for.
    Which ones, am I calling for that were no different than what was here before outsourcing? I want things to be before Clinton signed us on to world trade.



    overhead and taxes are relatively minor. The issue is wages.
    At least we are in agreement on something.

    So you're willing to pay much more for clothes, computers, and food?

    Nothing more than globalist anti-American threats. Pro-illegals use this same hogwash in the illegal immigration debate. I am willing to pay more and what I can not afford to buy new I will go to a thrift store or use this thing called law-away(anyone who has been poor or grew up poor in the US should know what lay-away is.Basically its like rent to own but the store holds onto the merchandise until it is fully paid for)


    You do realize that the WTO enforces equal terms for American exports no? That American steel industries have used the WTO to enforce equal play fields?
    How is it equal playing field when companies outsource for cheaper labor?



    I want politicians who claim to be patriotic Americans actually be patriotic and quit selling jobs down the river. I want the same people who gave Obama **** for not wearing a flag pin or not properly saluting the flag or not saluting the flag while supporting outsourcing to be called the hypocrites they are.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    They are the same job. You're splitting hairs in favor of corporate corruption.
    How are you going to DETERMINE if they're the same job? Form a government committee to interview the laid off American workers, then go to India and investigate the job responsibilities, then compare them? What if the Indian government tells them to **** off, as they should?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    If the company hires Indians who work in India doing the same work Americans were doing, IT IS OUTSOURCING.

    The difference is that the store is in India. It's not operating in the United States with a 100% Indian employee base.
    The first statement here contradicts the other statement. If Wal-Mart closes a store in Milwaukee and opens one in Mumbai, how is that different than GM closing a plant in Detroit and opening one in Delhi? Both are American companies with American employees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    More rhetoric. Other countries are NOT going to retaliate. This is a backwards Republican money-monger view of the situation. It is NOT in ANY WAY connected with reality.
    Other countries would (and do) retaliate every time we raise our barriers to trade. Look at Bush's steel tariffs for a perfect example of this. Europe quickly retaliated, hurting us more than we hurt them (although everyone was hurt). These destructive beggar-thy-neighbor policies just keep EVERYONE poorer than they otherwise would be...and they rarely even accomplish their intended goal.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    The terminal hypocrisy is that those who badmouth "outsourcing" are the same people who badmouth strong American corporations who do not outsource.

    Basically, any profitable business is evil to liberals. Business should be state run, and profits should be evenly distributed among all citizens.

    Lenin would be so proud.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Or...and this is something some of my computer science friends had to learn IN COLLEGE twenty years ago, is that they didn't p ick the best major and they need to consider an alternate career choice, like electrical engineering or carpentry.
    Of course -- I've said for some time now that if you dont want yout job outsourced, then get a job that can't be outsourced.

    I had someone then tell me that those jobs could be efefctively outsourced by unskilled and/or illegal immigrants, who would work for less pay.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Nothing more than globalist anti-American threats. Pro-illegals use this same hogwash in the illegal immigration debate. I am willing to pay more and what I can not afford to buy new I will go to a thrift store or use this thing called law-away
    It doesn't really matter what you do. It's been pretty much proven that consumers will in general buy the cheaper product, everything else being equal. The only way to compete then would be to have some kind of niche, which is more of an exception to the rule than a changing of the rule itself and therefore wouldn't solve the problem, or to enact some kind of protectionist measures, which would be disastrous.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Again ... I WAS TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

    I cannot see why paying A+ certified Americans to do the work that non-certified 3rd worlders are doing is a bad thing.
    Because it costs like 5 times the amount? Do you know right now, American health care providers are outsourcing radiological services, such as X-ray reviews to hospitals in India?

    And your premiums go down. Imagine that.

    Big business doesn't want to pay Americans a fair wage --- this is bull****. If these businesses are worried about execessive wages, THEY CAN GIVING THEIR EXECUTIVES OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
    Minor. Hypothetically, say you give a 500 employees a million dollar bonus. That's an additional $500 million expense in wages. Now, say you give 50,000 employees wage bumps every year of 2% for 10 years and the average salary is $50,000. In the tenth year, costs have spiraled from $2.5 billion to, wait for it: $3.047 trillion (2,500,000,000*(1.02^10).A large corporation cannot afford such salary increases over time. Especially when many employees don't produce that much money compared to how much they cost.

    Yet more republican threats and rhetoric. Republicans always spout off about price hikes when their salaries and bonues are threatened.
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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    why?

    Why don't computer technicians in the US either compete in the free market place or find some other line of work? Why is it that whenever the left finds a "problem" the only solution they can ever find is to "force" someone to do it their way?

    That is pure republican bull****.

    Those jobs belong in this country.

    PERIOD.

    END OF STORY.

    You need to lose your job to due to outsourcing. Then you will have a better prospective.

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    Re: Obama’s Plan on Corporate Taxes Unnerves the Indian Outsourcing Industry

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When its done so at the expense of screwing America out of manufacturing companies and Americans out of their jobs.
    Since when was the economic status of the working class more important then those providing the capital?

    You're dangerously close to Marx's line of thinking.

    Outsourcing ensures companies will not produce goods here in the US any company that does produce goods and services is disadvantaged when they are competing with a outsourced no longer American company.
    So Ford, Chrysler and GM aren't American companies since they've been outsourcing large amounts of work for years? You do realize that few companies produce their products in one county?

    That does not do any good if they are going to another country to make our weapons. All the R&D is meaningless if they have to go to another country to make our ****. If we go to war with China or one of their allies or if China goes to war against use or one of their allies goes to war against us do you think China is still going to sell us cheap goods,do you think China is going to buy what things we export other than jobs?
    This is laughable. Why would we outsource the very high tech components of our economy? Why would we give them our bread and butter?

    I want things to be before Clinton signed us on to world trade.
    So you want higher prices for inferior quality. And make Americans forced to buy into that. Got it.

    Nothing more than globalist anti-American threats. Pro-illegals use this same hogwash in the illegal immigration debate. I am willing to pay more and what I can not afford to buy new I will go to a thrift store or use this thing called law-away(anyone who has been poor or grew up poor in the US should know what lay-away is.Basically its like rent to own but the store holds onto the merchandise until it is fully paid for)
    Lay away is fundamentally retarded. Anyone who buys non-necessary items with what amounts to financing is dumb. And explain to me why prices wouldn't rise. It is a clear fact that illegal labor in agriculture has brought food prices down. And tell me, do thrift stores sell medical equipment? How about steel? Tell me, do they sell top of the line semiconductors?

    How is it equal playing field when companies outsource for cheaper labor?
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